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I got EFFEN Slow Roll Mail!!!

Postby Seismic Sam on Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:37 pm

Don't know how many of you got this, but I'm posting it just so you can see it. Don't waste a lot of time reading it, as it's pretty much BS with no quantification at all as to whether Timmy's private crusade had any effect at all.

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Best of all, Timmy gave me a postage paid envelope so I could send a "contribution" back to him:

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So here's my "contribution" which is a subject that is near and dear to the hearts of all the people who are owners of RENEWED carry permits: Please feel free to comment or add or correct details as you see fit. If you just want to bitch, kindly STFU, because unless Obama has managed to revoke the Constitution in the last week, I have the right to speak my piece.

Dear Governor Pawlenty:

I have recently received your mailing requesting a contribution for some PAC you are involved with, and I wish to inform you that under no circumstances will I be donating even a single penny to any fund raising group you are involved with now or in the future. Just for the record, I have been a registered voter since 1972 and have voted in every election since, and have almost always voted a straight Republican ticket.

Unfortunately, you have very publicly and very clearly not come through on one of your solemn campaign promises that you made to a group of people who were probably most instrumental in your winning the election by a razor-thin margin of only 20,000 votes, and I am talking about the law abiding and 99.9% conservative voting Minnesota citizens who at that time had a permit to carry a pistol under the Minnesota Personal Protection Act. At the time of your election, there were approximately 20,000 carry permits issued, and that is the margin you won by. I doubt that you could name another group who both votes in every election and votes for the Republican candidate at the high 90 percent range that we did that secured your victory.

At some point after that, you made a personal promise to carry permit holders that you would have the carry permit reciprocity issue with other states fully resolved by January 1st, 2007. Well, that date came and went a long time ago, and as of this time in 2010, this matter has still not been resolved.

To delineate the matter in greater detail, you or one of your subordinates delegated the responsibility to perform this task to the Commissioner of Public Safety, Mike Campion. In one or more meetings between Mr. Campion and the organizers who were responsible for the passage of the MPPA, it became abundantly clear that Mr. Campion’s true agenda was to limit the degree of reciprocity with other states as much as he could. The means by which he did this was to adopt as strict an interpretation as possible of granting reciprocity with other states who “had similar carry statutes” to the MPPA. In other words, if he could find any difference, no matter how small or trivial between the MPPA and the carry laws of other states, then that state was excluded from the list. There were repeated discussions on this issue, and in all of them Mr. Campion refused to listen to any and all arguments about the fact that other states granted reciprocity with a far wider interpretation of “statute similarity” than he did.

So the January 1st, 2007 deadline came and went, and it became abundantly clear that you and members of your administration had no intention of honoring your solemn promise to the group of people who got you elected. Your credibility became a joke within the carry permit community, and for your information quite a few T-shirts were printed up and worn at places like the Republican Headquarters at the State Fair that said :

”I GOT SLOW-ROLLED BY THE PAWLENTY ADMINISTRATION AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT!

As time passed, the carry permit community became more embittered with your failure to keep your promise to us, and in the beginning of 2008 when fund raising activities were started for the state and national elections, quite a few of us had decided not to donate a single penny to the Republican Party solely because of your actions. So when various members of the carry permit community, whose numbers at the time had grown past the 50,000 mark were contacted via phone by staffers of the Republican party attempting to raise funds, they were told in no uncertain terms that your failure to keep your campaign promise was the reason that the people being called were not going to donate at all to the GOP. It became obvious that this was a fairly widely held sentiment, because after a while some of the staffers started admitting over the phone that this wasn’t the first time they had heard this statement, and tried to apologize for the situation.

Then, there was an unexpected invitation from Mike Campion in the Spring of that year to once again discuss the reciprocity issue with some of the MPPA organizers, and there was renewed hope that perhaps our complaints and vocal withholding of campaign funds might force some action on this matter. The day of the meeting arrived, and to the complete shock of those who were invited to the meeting, all Mr. Campion did was re-iterate his previous position without any variance whatsoever, which begged the question of why he had gone to the trouble of asking any of us too meet with him again in the first place. My guess is that the withholding of campaign funds did cause either you or one of your staffers to tell Mr. Campion to handle this issue, but Mr. Campion chose to do exactly what he had done before, which was as little as possible.

I have no way of knowing how much of this information you may be aware of, but as Governor of the State of Minnesota the buck stops with you in any circumstance. It could be that you were not aware of what was going on, but many believe that you were fully aware of what was being done, and that you ordered it to happen the way it did. As far as Mr. Campion is concerned, I am sure that you know full well how he embarrassed himself and disgraced his office by pre-announcing the investigation of the Metro Gang Strike Force, which allowed some Strike Force officers to start destroying evidence before the investigators arrived. As far as the carry permit community is concerned, Mr. Campion’s actions handling the reciprocity issue were just as disgraceful.

And so to sum up, Governor Pawlenty, there are now nearly 70,000 carry permit holders in this state who all vote along the same conservative lines, and you have ZERO credibility with ALL 70,000 of these voters. You made a clear promise to us concerning carry reciprocity with other states, and you did not follow through on that promise. Not to put too fine a point on it, Governor Pawlenty, but your track record in keeping your campaign promises is not dissimilar to President Obama, who at this point is clearly NOT going to be a two-term President. Since your failure to keep your promises to the voters who elected you are discoverable, and widely known, they WILL become ammunition for the campaign of any Democrat you run against, and thus your ability to be elected to another public office is equally tainted as Obama’s.

None of the 70,000 carry permit holders in this state will ever forget or ever forgive your failure to keep your promise to us, and we will not be lured into ever believing again anything you say in any run for public office.

And so, Governor Pawlenty, not one penny will ever come out of my pocket or tens of thousands other permit carrying Minnesota citizens for any cause that you are leading, because you are no longer trustworthy in our eyes.
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Re: I got EFFEN Slow Roll Mail!!!

Postby mrokern on Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:54 pm

:exactly:
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Re: I got EFFEN Slow Roll Mail!!!

Postby chunkstyle on Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:56 pm

Good job, Sam.
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Re: I got EFFEN Slow Roll Mail!!!

Postby John T on Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:48 pm

See.
the very topic. is why you have few members.
Those members that do agree with the topic, will have very high post counts.

gee, effen,,that's intelligent. must have taken all of the same ability to open the mail

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Re: I got EFFEN Slow Roll Mail!!!

Postby nyffman on Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:59 pm

John T wrote:See.
the very topic. is why you have few members.
Those members that do agree with the topic, will have very high post counts.

gee, effen,,that's intelligent. must have taken all of the same ability to open the mail

Hmm? If you don't like the forum or some of the members, why torture yourself. Just don't come back. Few members? Compared to what? The forum formerly know as TCC? :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: As far as the OP, SS, what did you really expect? He's a politician. Last time I checked, our socialist *resident was being shunned and panned by all his leftist supporters too. It's the price they pay for their token nod to the rest of the state/country. I would have thought, at your advanced age, you'd understand that by now. :P
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Re: I got EFFEN Slow Roll Mail!!!

Postby Seismic Sam on Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:24 am

People with high post counts only have them because they all agree with each other?? Gee, what about some of the flame wars I have had with other people who also had high post count?? And what about all the people with high post counts who are here who were kicked out of TCC because they DISagreed with some of the things going on?? High post count means you have been around for a while, and it also means you cared enough about some issue to post or reply to it. Low post count means you're a noob, or you don't feel like adding anything to the party. I'd say your logic is faulty, but I frankly don't see any at all to criticize.
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Re: I got EFFEN Slow Roll Mail!!!

Postby Rem700 on Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:50 am

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Re: I got EFFEN Slow Roll Mail!!!

Postby justaguy on Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:27 am

John T wrote:See.
the very topic. is why you have few members.
Those members that do agree with the topic, will have very high post counts.

gee, effen,,that's intelligent. must have taken all of the same ability to open the mail

In fairness I dont read the threads I post in, think most here are imature, I dont have an interest in guns, dont like these peoples view of politics, dont go to any forum functions, only liked by one member here (there has to be one), I get called a troll daily, get accused of only using 5 or 6 one liners, I cry myself to sleep, people are mean to me, I'm over weight, I got beat up in high school, and I take my post count as serious as a mother **** and dont appreciate you taking cheap shots at my post count.

Wait, aren't you the guy that quit the forum? Just cant quit us can you?
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Re: I got EFFEN Slow Roll Mail!!!

Postby Seismic Sam on Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:51 pm

nyffman wrote: As far as the OP, SS, what did you really expect? He's a politician. Last time I checked, our socialist *resident was being shunned and panned by all his leftist supporters too. It's the price they pay for their token nod to the rest of the state/country. I would have thought, at your advanced age, you'd understand that by now. :P


Actually, I and quite a few other people had really hoped that Timmy MIGHT keep his promise, seeing as he had gone to such trouble about offering an actual deadline. As it turns out, it was just a token nod, but I for one think that his token nod deserves at least one token kick in the balls in return. Oh, and in today's Minneapolis Sunday paper, the results of a straw poll of potential Republican presidential hopefuls was published. Ron Paul came in with 31%, somebody else at #2, Sara Palin, who everybody concedes is unelectable, came in at 7%, and Timmy was bringing up the rear with just 6%. So according to the poll, little Timmy is even more unelectable than Sarah herself. OH SNAP!!! That's probably because Sarah actually has a set of balls on her, while Timmy doesn't!! OH, DOUBLE SNAP!!!!
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Re: I got EFFEN Slow Roll Mail!!!

Postby mitchx3 on Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:04 pm



^^^^invented Oh Snap
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Re: I got EFFEN Slow Roll Mail!!!

Postby nyffman on Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:03 am

Sam, I appreciate your standing on principals for this issue and others. I don't think there's much danger of him advancing to the next level. My point is, once he's moved on to other things, we'll have to watch out for some other duplicitas politician. They're hybrids, like the mule. You can eliminate every one of them, and before you know it, another one shows up. We'll never get rid of them. All we can do is hope to keep them under control.
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Re: I got EFFEN Slow Roll Mail!!!

Postby ex-LT on Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:19 am

Seismic Sam wrote:Oh, and in today's Minneapolis Sunday paper, the results of a straw poll of potential Republican presidential hopefuls was published. Ron Paul came in with 31%, somebody else at #2, Sara Palin, who everybody concedes is unelectable, came in at 7%, and Timmy was bringing up the rear with just 6%.


That "somebody else" was Mitt Romney. Given the straw poll was of CPAC (Conservative Political Action Committee) members, it doesn't surprise me that Ron Paul won the straw poll. Personally, I think Mitt is a better choice.

BTW, I saw the results of the poll on CSPAN on Saturday while watching Glenn Beck's address. TPaw DIDN'T finish last - Newt Gingrich did (with 4%). There was another candidate, whose name I don't recall, who polled at 5%.
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Re: I got EFFEN Slow Roll Mail!!!

Postby Paul on Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:24 am

They said Mitt Romney finished first the past three years. So he seems to be a constant... Too bad he couldn't gain a little more steam during the last election.
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Re: I got EFFEN Slow Roll Mail!!!

Postby chunkstyle on Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:15 am

Ron Paul 31%
Mitt Romney 22%
Sarah Palin 7%
Tim Pawlenty 6%
Mike Pence 5%
Newt Gingrich 4%
Tom Huckabee 4%

~3,000 votes cast.
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Re: I got EFFEN Slow Roll Mail!!!

Postby Seismic Sam on Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:51 am

Sorry, I only read the header for the story. And Timmy's very special love letter is in the mail. I'm sure I'll never hear anything back, but it still feels good to have done it.

Oh, and nice head shot there, Tootsie!! Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck....
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