Oh boy I got a kit to reload.

[TH3180]

Oh and by the way, I have manual #14 not #13. The picture I put up is a stock picture from there site. I put it up there so people could see what kit I am talking about.

[rugersol]

You'll need some of that stuff later when you start reloading for rifles. The priming "arm" on the Rockchucker is not cool. You can squish a primer to oblivion, or barely get it in, and not feel the difference.

Interesting ... I did not know that.

[rugersol]

Oh ya ... if ya actually got the Speer #13, watch out if ya ever load .40sw ... they got a bad load, in there, IIRC.

Which load is bad? That's my manual - and one of my calibers.

I misspoke, a bit ... it's not necessarily "bad" ... the "start" was at or just over "max" from another source, I had. (I'd shoot it ... but as a "reference", it's misleading)

Back when I ran the Oakdale league, a guy called up, interested in it ... we got to talking ... and he was loading .40 ... he happened to tell me his recipe ... it was a powder I hadn't used ... but it sounded awfully heavy ... he insisted he got it straight outta Speer #13. I didn't have the book ... but I correlated in the books I did have ... and suggested he back it down. Next time I stopped at the Sportsman's Whorehouse, I checked the Speer #13 on the shelf ... figurin' he jest read it wrong ... but there it was!

I honestly couldn't tell ya what it is, now. If ya can photocopy the page(s) for .40, I could probly tell ya. (I wanna say it was a 165gr ... but I could be anything) With 165gr .40, most of the "pistol" powders are gonna be 4.0 - 5.0gr ... with the "heavier" powders being 6.0 - 8.0gr. Ya see a "start" load much over 5.0gr, make sure it's for a "heavier" powder. Watch the FPS, too ... sometimes because of pressure, other times because of laziness, they'll list "start" loads with as much as a 100fps variance between different powders ... it's not always "apples to apples".

This is actually a good example of why ya wanna have multiple "sources" for a load. No, they won't always match ... so if ya can correlate, a bit ... it helps.

One of my "sources" is usually the pamphlets the powder manufacturers give out for free (ya can usually find 'em anywhere powder is sold). It's the same as what's on the interweb ... but sometimes that don't work out, the way ya like.

I also recommended the Lyman #49 to a n00b ... wouldn't ya know it ... first load he wanted to do ... IIRC, .45acp 200gr cast ... and the charge was more than for jacketed. Just can't win!

Anyhow, despite that, I think the Lyman manual is a good manual to have handy for double-checking charges. Figure that, and the pamphlet(s), and one other manual ... your choice of Hornady, Speer, Nosler ... ? Wouldn't hurt to have another ... but with 3, even with correlating, ya usually know when ya got a suspicious load ... then ya post on here, or otherwise pursue it further.

Ciphering a new load usually is not all that big of a deal. That is, presuming your "start" data is accurate. If your "start" is closer to "max", it's a whole new ball game!

Oh ya ... don't be afraid to call the powder manufacturer ... ya can usually get thru to someone purdy quick (during business hours, 'course) ... they usually speak English, too!

[Seismic Sam]

Not to burst your bubble, but this guy http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=16320 got a kit for something like $136, IIRC. And unlike yours, I think everything in there is necessary and quite useful. You did get a nice setup, don't get me wrong on that, but bullets aren't free so you know their price got packed into the cost of the package somewhere.

[rugersol]

Not to burst your bubble, but this guy http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=16320 got a kit for something like $136, IIRC. And unlike yours, I think everything in there is necessary and quite useful. You did get a nice setup, don't get me wrong on that, but bullets aren't free so you know their price got packed into the cost of the package somewhere.

I agree of course ... this guy'd've been much better off with a Breech Lock Challenger ... at least, he'd've save a lotta money ... but, to be fair, that other guy is loading .45-70 ... he'd've actually had a use for a lotta the stuff in this kit.

The thing I can't figure out is, if a guy wants to load 9mm, how do ya tell him to get a $150 single-stage (ain't even got a "breech-lock" or "lnl") ... instead of a $100 or even $150 turret? Let alone, in a kit, set-up almost entirely for "rifle".

It's just beyond me.

[TH3180]

Not to burst your bubble, but this guy http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=16320 got a kit for something like $136, IIRC. And unlike yours, I think everything in there is necessary and quite useful. You did get a nice setup, don't get me wrong on that, but bullets aren't free so you know their price got packed into the cost of the package somewhere.

The bullets were not part of the kit, they were seperate, along with the powder, bullet puller and dies. The prices I gave was everything out the door and I forgot to add in a bullet puller on my Midway price.(I just thought of the bullet puller as I was typing this)
I am guessing both of you don't like John which is fine with me, I am not going to tell anyone who to like or were they should shop. I'm happy with what I got and I am happy I bought it locally. If I have problems or questions I can walk in there and get help. I can't get hands on help from the internet. Maybe I should have gotten a cheaper setup, I don't know. I do know I played with things this weekend and I am happy with what I got and plan on using it for years to come.

[rugersol]

I am guessing both of you don't like John

You're guessing wrong!

I don't know John ... but I'm sure he's a great guy ... plenty other folks 'round here speak highly 'nuff 'bout him ... that's good 'nuff for me. It sounds like we have a few things to disagree 'bout ... if it's over beers, that suits me fine.

I didn't mean to beat ya up on this thing ... if a guy really wants to load 9mm on a single-stage, that's his business. This is a forum ... these things happen.

If you're happy with what you got, that's all that really matters!

Good luck!

[TH3180]

I am guessing both of you don't like John

You're guessing wrong!

I don't know John ... but I'm sure he's a great guy ... plenty other folks 'round here speak highly 'nuff 'bout him ... that's good 'nuff for me. It sounds like we have a few things to disagree 'bout ... if it's over beers, that suits me fine.

I didn't mean to beat ya up on this thing ... if a guy really wants to load 9mm on a single-stage, that's his business. This is a forum ... these things happen.

If you're happy with what you got, that's all that really matters!

Good luck!

When I want to step up and get a progressive, the beer is on me. You can fill me in on why you use what you use and what you think I should get. I am all over drinking beer and talking about hobbies.

[mnglocker]

The Rockchucker Kit is not a bad deal, you'll definetly get your money's worth out of it, that press will out last you by many years. And as far as the lube pad goes, yeah it's kind of worthless. Get som Dillon Case Lube Spray.

[Seismic Sam]

The Rockchucker Kit is not a bad deal, you'll definetly get your money's worth out of it, that press will out last you by many years. And as far as the lube pad goes, yeah it's kind of worthless. Get som Dillon Case Lube Spray.

Disregard Tupperware Boy!! He has a serious attitude problem from the git-go!! Just buy a tin of RCBS Imperial Die wax, and you'll never look back. In 4 or 5 years, you'll probably have to buy another one.

And no, John-Boy and I get along fine. I guess it had escaped my attention that he had reccommended this to you, and depending on what you told him and how you came off to him as far as reloading knowledge is concerned, he may have chosen this for you based on that. In addition, seeing as you are a newbie, you may have missed the last two years of an utter reloading FAMINE due to Obama Bin Lyin' being our commie muslim kiss-azz POTUS, and it's had a dramatic effect on the reloading scene. Maybe he reccommended that set to you because he hasn't gotten a shipment from Lee in months. Seriously, John-Boy has been trying to keep his head above water for two years now, and he can't sell what he can't get. That Lee setup WAS on e-Bay, which might be a significant fact.

[DeanC]

Disregard Tupperware Boy!! He has a serious attitude problem from the git-go!! Just buy a tin of RCBS Imperial Die wax, and you'll never look back. In 4 or 5 years, you'll probably have to buy another one.

+1 Spray lube is for pervs.

[mnglocker]

+1 Spray lube is for pervs.

Says the man with his own platoon of young riflemen.

For mass batches of pistola brass it's the shiz nit. However I did forget about REDDING Imperial sizing die wax, That stuff works awsome on the lube pad, it's the RCBS lube that sucks.

[TH3180]

Heck I don't need lube for reloading. I bought Carbide dies.

[mnglocker]

Heck I don't need lube for reloading. I bought Carbide dies.

BS, it'll make your brass last longer.

[TH3180]

Heck I don't need lube for reloading. I bought Carbide dies.

BS, it'll make your brass last longer.

Intresting, everything I have read says I don't need lube with carbide dies. When are you using it, during resizing?