What's up with DPMS?

[rtk]

Good thread!

[macphisto]

This thread has really opened my eyes. As soon as I get home after work I'm going to take my DPMS lower built myself using a DPMS LPK and a DPMS stock into the garage and beat it with a hammer. Then I'm going to back over it a few times with the car. Then I'm going to throw it off the High Bridge. I also have a Bushmaster upper that has come into contact with this lower and I'm going to destroy it too just in case it caught the AIDS from all that DPMS crap.

Would you like to sell it after that? I would be interested in buying it.

I can't do that in good conscience. This thing will get you killed!

[macphisto]

Good thread!

+1, full of good information.

[ComradeBurg]

This whole argument about DPMS vs. Spike vs. Colt is pointless. The bottom line is the AR-15 platform is just flat inferior.

Real men know that the only true rifle for the battlefield is the M1 Garand. While the AR-15 shoots wimpy little 5.56mm rounds that can't even effectively punch through level 15-12C body armor (I'm sure most of you don't even know what that is because it's classified and only the most elite soldiers and mall security teams are issued it). The .30-06 has unique ballistics that allow it to punch through 20" of plate steel and still have enough velocity to go through 12 soldiers cowering behind it. The power of the .30-06 is also why the 8 shot en bloc clip is more than equal to the 30-round AR-15 magazine. The .30-06 actually explodes on impact giving it the ability to kill multiple targets in one show while the 5.56 requires at least 10 shots to kill a single person.

The AR-15 lacks a fully exposed bolt meaning it will jam the second a piece of lint enters the system. The M1 Garand has a fully exposed bolt ensure all dust and debris will fall straight through the gun so it doesn't jam up your action. Of course some moron will point out that this makes the M1 difficult to mount optics to but honestly what loser would use optics? Optics are just going to inevitably fail like a DPMS rifle. Even an expensive EOTech requires batteries which WILL die! This is what real men only use iron sights which will never leave you hanging because they need fresh batteries.

Another failure of the AR-15 rifle is the fact it was made well after John Moses Browning's death. The quality of a firearm can be directly correlated to how long after John Moses Browning's death it was design. The absolute best weapons were designed by John Moses Browning which is why the 1911 is the only pistol used by real men in the know. A rifle built shortly after the death of John Moses Browning will be of a much higher quality than one build well after his death. This is a scientific fact that is undisputed.

So let's just put this whole argument to bed and admit the AR-15 is a piece of crap no matter who builds it!

[traveler]

So let's just put this whole argument to bed and admit the AR-15 is a piece of crap no matter who builds it!

Too bad you didn't mention Glock by name. It would have made your post complete.

[Spike]

This whole argument about DPMS vs. Spike vs. Colt is pointless.
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Can we please leave me out of this?

- Spike

[macphisto]

I hear you make a good AR, Spike. Can you get me a good deal?

[tacticalninja32]

That chart's absolutely werthless!

And the winner is! ...

Christ! ... don't you guys know nothin'?!

First, Christ had nothing to do with it, so why invoke him into this.......

Second, you can't spell for ****.....werthless

Finally, you sure pick out f'ugly guns.............

ha you said f'ugly, thats awesome gunny,
I have two DPMS and I got them from Streichers, if they sell those to cop shops and still continues to sell them to this day I think they are reliable enough for me, as far as the rumor with people that live in st cloud wont buy one is just a rumor/opinion because I have friends that live there and use to work for them that own one or two,

[tacticalninja32]

Right now I would be more concerned buying used then new, just because of all of the home built Frankenstein guns out there. As already been mentioned a number of times is what your intended use will be.

Some people just want to own a black rifle and take it out once in while to impress family and friends. Needed level of reliability is pretty low.

Some like to go to the range or woods and shoot up their empty beers. Just need to run as long as there is beer cans.

Some want them for home protection so they do a little research on the local forums to see what BTDT guy's have to say. They end up buying what they can afford but put a $200.00 tactical light on it. Don't know reliability because light cost burnt up the ammo budget.

If your serious in knowing how reliable your firearm is whether rifle or handgun you need to run them so during breaks you can light your cigars off the barrels. Take a good high round count self defense course or do some competition. It's funny how the first thing you hear when a gun goes down in training or competition is that it never did that before............ That's because the gun was never ran hard before. This also will tell you about how well your other gear like slings, belts, holsters, lights, mags, boot's, hearing protection and anything else you have on your person will hold up. If your gun breaks in training don't get your undies in bundle, repair it and do it again until things quit breaking.

+1

[Pezhead]

M1 Garand is on my list too. I didn't see Les Baer listed. This thread is getting very interesting.
I did take the the AR-15 basic class from REJ Firearms training and would recomend it to anyone that owns one of these rifles, unless you have a lot of experience.
I would like to take the advanced class when money allows(wife is still unemployed).
I did hear some say Hi-Point's make good boat anchors. But what do I know I own a Glock.

[Seismic Sam]

yes, Glocks are worthless as boat anchors. About the only anchoring you can do with a Glock is to tie a string from the gun to your yellow rubber duckie you use for bathtime.....

IMPORTANT SAFETY NOTE!!! Remember to squeeze the rubber duckie and not the Tupperware!!

Interesting question: If you fire a Glock lying on the bottom of the bathtub, will the bullet zip around the bathtub wall like NASCAR drivers at Darlington??

[Norsesmithy]

AR "hierarchies" are fun, because a person is talking about outliers no matter how they spin it. Frankly, DPMS has a bit of an unsavory reputation on the internet, and looking at how they do what they do, a person can tell why. DPMS subcontracts their small components to dozens of places and occasionally you will see a gun with a stacking tolerance issue that will cause it to run poorly. AND DPMS does less batch and unit testing than other manufactures, something that is unavoidable considering their volume, so you are marginally more likely to end up with a casting or machining defect that leads to something like a broken trigger.

That isn't to say that even 1% of users will ever see this, but it is something that many trainers and competitors have noticed.

And it isn't like other manufacturers don't have occasional lemons too.

And if we are just taking my personal experiences into account, I'd say that DPMS is better than many, even if there are better deals out there, I've seen a lot more incorrectly assembled Bushmasters, and I've met a broken Daniel Defense. Does that mean I would avoid doing purchasing parts or firearms from these companies? No.

If a person where to ask me what I think is a better deal than a $600 DPMS, I'd say a Del Ton kit, which is generally a little cheaper option for option than a DPMS gun. Or a PK firearms Daniel Defence barreled completed upper and a completed lower, which will be cheaper than a comparably outfitted DPMS, but more than $600. Or a Bravo Company build, which can be brought in for 750 or so, and has all of the premium features and quality assurance practices as a Colt or LMT rifle.

But that doesn't make a DPMS a bad rifle, or even a bad deal, compared to many of it's mainstream competitors.

[tman]

FWIW, my department issued my a brand new DPMS carbine a couple of years ago.

The ONLY problem I have ever had with it was with the OEM magazines. They sucked.

The most I have put down range at one session was about 400 rounds. Sometime during the day, I recall dropping some oil in the area of the bolt just for kicks.

[Hmac]

I had a Hi-Tec pistol when I was younger. It worked great for me. Therefore, Hi-Tec makes an excellent pistol.

[Holland&Holland]

Interesting question: If you fire a Glock lying on the bottom of the bathtub, will the bullet zip around the bathtub wall like NASCAR drivers at Darlington??

Answer: no. Now, someone owes me a new vanity...