Interesting addition in Iowas law!

[John S.]

Well, hopefully it'll at least teach how not to "accidently shoot yerself or others at the very least.

[goalie]

Are you saying that because I'm prior military I shouldn't need to take training?

THINK ABOUT IT. I WAS IN THE FREAKING NAVY!!

I don't think there should be any training requirements to carry if you are a non-felon and are eligible to legally purchase a handgun.

That said, I know Heffay, and I would (barely) trust him with chewing gun and string........

[Heffay]

But alas, there are a few on this forum who believe you should be allowed to carry a gun free and clear with no laws or permits whatsoever...............

Damn straight, it is a Right and I should not have to ask permission, and as such I should not be licensed or taxed by any governmental body to exercise my Right!

Rights aren't absolute. Yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater is the traditional example.

Are you also implying that convicted felons should be able to vote as well? Polling station in Stillwater state pen? Felons having the right to bear arms? Is there a line for you, and if so, where is that line?

[goalie]

Are you also implying that convicted felons should be able to vote as well? Polling station in Stillwater state pen? Felons having the right to bear arms? Is there a line for you, and if so, where is that line?

I think violent felons should stay in jail a long-assed time. Long enough that there debt is paid in full when they get out.

Of course, that isn't going to happen, but you did ask.

[Heffay]

When they get out, should they be allowed to carry? The 2nd Amendment doesn't say "except for convicted felons and wifebeaters."

[goalie]

When they get out, should they be allowed to carry? The 2nd Amendment doesn't say "except for convicted felons and wifebeaters."

What does "paid in full" mean to you?

[Heffay]

When they get out, should they be allowed to carry? The 2nd Amendment doesn't say "except for convicted felons and wifebeaters."

What does "paid in full" mean to you?

It means the judge handed out a sentence, including a probationary period at the end, and the convict has completed that sentence.

[hammAR]

When they get out, should they be allowed to carry? The 2nd Amendment doesn't say "except for convicted felons, Navy officers, and wifebeaters."

Fixed it for you ......
somehow you seem to believe that you are dealing with 2nd graders..........yelling "fire" and all......
but then again you seem to be OK with "reasonable restriction" clauses with everything............
sure glad that goalie has to put-up with you, I sure wouldn't............

[Heffay]

but then again you seem to be OK with "reasonable restriction" clauses with everything............

I take it you are not? You have a line, right? Are you ok with felons who have served their sentence getting permits?

[Sietch]

Damn straight, it is a Right and I should not have to ask permission, and as such I should not be licensed or taxed by any governmental body to exercise my Right!

I agree with Heffray to a point.
I like a system for licensing carry. It makes a lot of things simpler. One example is that it eliminates the (ridiculous) cop question "How do I know you're not a felon" altogether. Easy, you're required to present your permit upon request, and they know that felons don't get permits. BS avoided. My complaint is that it should be available at 18. If you can sign up to bleed for country, you're an adult. Also service members who had handgun shouldn't have to prove that they know what they're doing, it's an insult; I like Iowa's lead in this regard. Furthermore, I'd like to see MN lower the ceiling for application fees. Maybe 10 dollars. 100 dollars for a permit, that's unreasonable. That's an imposition against our right.

One thing we could reasonably expect of this legislature, if anyone submitted a bill, is to wave the application fee entirely for vets. That ancient Marine in my last class was moaning about the money. This was Hennepin so that means 100 bucks on top of the class fees. He brought a 1911 that he'd purchased for less than $40 dollars from a hardware store (how's that for the time value of money, and laws?). He's obviously retired. Shouldn't we cut him a break?

Also.

When they get out, should they be allowed to carry?

No crap. Once someone has served a sentence they've served they're sentence. Parole is part of that. Whenever that's done they've paid their debt. We could see this in MN, a rebuttal a federal BS, if only principled. Of course it shouldn't be presented as having to do with firearms. It could be presented as "restoring reformed citizens' rights act", under the auspices of voting rights, exempting certain convicted persons from federal restriction of rights in MN specifically. Guns would fall under that blanket. I know at least one long-ago DUI who's not a dangerous criminal and just wants to hunt ducks again. It sucks.

EDIT: fixed for language filter. I hate this thing.

[John S.]

but then again you seem to be OK with "reasonable restriction" clauses with everything............

I take it you are not? You have a line, right? Are you ok with felons who have served their sentence getting permits?

YES?

[goalie]

When they get out, should they be allowed to carry? The 2nd Amendment doesn't say "except for convicted felons and wifebeaters."

What does "paid in full" mean to you?

It means the judge handed out a sentence, including a probationary period at the end, and the convict has completed that sentence.

Aaah, but you don't get to pick and choose what part of my hypothetical answer to your hypothetical question applies. I also stated that, hypothetically, sentences would be appropriate and long enough that the felon paid his due when he got out.......IF he got out.

Playing "what if" only works if you go whole hog.

Then again, I still don't think there should be a training requirement, regardless of how much better it makes some of you feel. You see, restricting me because it makes you FEEL better is a mamby-pamby whiny bitch thing to do, and it really isn't something I care to buy in to. YMMV

[goalie]

. That ancient Marine in my last class was moaning about the money. This was Hennepin so that means 100 bucks on top of the class fees. He brought a 1911 that he'd purchased for less than $40 dollars from a hardware store (how's that for the time value of money, and laws?). He's obviously retired. Shouldn't we cut him a break?

I wish I was in his class. I wouldn't have cut him a break, but I would have cut him a check for the fee and class. Probably bought his ass a beer as well if he had the time.

[goalie]

sure glad that goalie has to put-up with you, I sure wouldn't............

Aaaah, but what is the downside to keeping someone around who makes you look smarter, faster, more attractive, and, generally, just plain better?!?!?!

[Sietch]

You see, restricting me because it makes you FEEL better is a mamby-pamby whiny bitch thing to do, and it really isn't something I care to buy in to. YMMV

Word. My feeling about MOA, for example, in a nutshell. It applies across the board. However, I'm still a fan of licensing carry. Licensing, itself, is not an evil imposition and doesn't restrict anything.