All-around .308 rifle

[rtk]

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I didn't see it on the unholstered website?

We're waiting for the tactical model to come out first, it will double as a rifle rest.

You are such an operator!

[Holland&Holland]

That's a vast oversimplification of the amazing performance enhancements of the Remington.

Now what'd I do with that chart?! ...

I do in fact own a Remington R-25 in 243 WIN, I got it for $1299 or so a few years back, it's been a damn fine rifle, and if you have ever looked into the cost to camo dip a AR-15 style rifle you will know $150 is cheap, most places get $250+ for the entire rig. As for accuracy, the Remington’s have much lighter barrel profiles than most DPMS rigs, they are meant for hunting, but with that said my R-25 will shoot well under 1 MOA all the time, heavy factory trigger and all, and that's not tricked out with the 42X NXS, that’s with its normal 10X Weaver glass with big fat hunting reticals , it starts pushing half MOA with target glass and full prepped rounds.

I just aquired this same rig and took it to the range this weekend to sight in. I was very impressed to say the least. Best performance of the session was a 4 shot group (mag holds 4) the was less than 1.5 inches at 200 meters (Oakdale). I have never shot that good in my life so this rifle is a much better shooter than I am. This grouping was repeatable as well. Planning on it being my coyote rig.

[Belgiboy]

I bought a Remington 700 VLS in .243. Then I had it rebarreled with a Mc Gowen heavy barrel in .260 (.308 would be just as easy of course), the action trued, pillar bedded and the trigger cleaned up by Sir Randall Hengl who unfortunately retired pretty much after this project. Overall cost without glass was around $1100 if I remember correctly.

It will do everything you want, the only regret is that the barrel is very heavy so it won't do as an elk rifle. It shoots lights out with 140 gr VLDs. The 140 gr Remington Core Lokts are shooting under 0.8" too. It was a fun project. I just don't get to shoot this rifle as much as I would want.

[rugersol]

:rotf:

I didn't see it on the unholstered website?

We're waiting for the tactical model to come out first, it will double as a rifle rest.

If I order off unholstered, do I still git the bonus get-a-grip?

Any way I could git two?

[RAGGED]

I just aquired this same rig and took it to the range this weekend to sight in. I was very impressed to say the least. Best performance of the session was a 4 shot group (mag holds 4) the was less than 1.5 inches at 200 meters (Oakdale). I have never shot that good in my life so this rifle is a much better shooter than I am. This grouping was repeatable as well. Planning on it being my coyote rig.

It's a great rifle, just a little on the heavy side but then again so are all 308 size autos. I'm sure you will grow to love it more and more as you use it, if the OP hadn’t specifically said 308 I would have suggested he look at the 243win, I'll take 6mm ballistics over 30 cal any day, especially when we are talking 20" barrels.
With my pet load (75 Vmax 39.2 GR RL15 WLRP- WIN Case- OAL from Hornady book) I can go sub MOA all day long with the 10X scope, my best group ever was 5 under 2" @ 400, at that range the cross hairs on the hunting scope were really holding me back (too thick). If SHTF I think this would be the one rifle I would grab, I see no others in my safe that could potentially be as useful. Make sure to pick up a bunch of 25 rd P-Mags for yours, just in case the zombies roll in, you can head shoot-em @ 300 yards.

I bought a Remington 700 VLS in .243. Then I had it rebarreled with a Mc Gowen heavy barrel in .260 (.308 would be just as easy of course), the action trued, pillar bedded and the trigger cleaned up by Sir Randall Hengl who unfortunately retired pretty much after this project. Overall cost without glass was around $1100 if I remember correctly.

It will do everything you want, the only regret is that the barrel is very heavy so it won't do as an elk rifle. It shoots lights out with 140 gr VLDs. The 140 gr Remington Core Lokts are shooting under 0.8" too. It was a fun project. I just don't get to shoot this rifle as much as I would want.

Very nice rig, but I'm not sure how it would run in 3gun

P.S. is that 500 rounds in the background ontop of a wood stove? Lol

[Belgiboy]

P.S. is that 500 rounds in the background ontop of a wood stove? Lol

No, that is at least 700 rounds

[gyrfalcon]

No, that is at least 700 rounds

What sort of trays are they? I recognize RAGGED's red MTM trays.

[Pinnacle]

I bought a Remington 700 VLS in .243. Then I had it rebarreled with a Mc Gowen heavy barrel in .260 (.308 would be just as easy of course), the action trued, pillar bedded and the trigger cleaned up by Sir Randall Hengl who unfortunately retired pretty much after this project. Overall cost without glass was around $1100 if I remember correctly.

It will do everything you want, the only regret is that the barrel is very heavy so it won't do as an elk rifle. It shoots lights out with 140 gr VLDs. The 140 gr Remington Core Lokts are shooting under 0.8" too. It was a fun project. I just don't get to shoot this rifle as much as I would want.

That is a SWEET Rig for all around hunting, and or ansything else you would like it to do - I think that it would be a little slow for 3-gun however.

If I were to shoot 3-gun I would have to chose a Springfield M-1A Variant. I am not a fan of the AR style rifles for a lot of reasons and - well them failing you when it counts most is one of those reasons, I have YET to see an M-1A quit when it counted (like in a match) /

Back ot that SEXIFUL .260 above..... Wow, that is one really nice rifle and a great caliber to shoot. I imagine that is about as fun as a high powered rifle can be to shoot, I know that I like to shoot my 6.5x55mm - that has to be one hell of a rifle....

This is me being jealous... A little.....

But I have this .308 and it shoots well, pretty good too......

[MNBlackjack]

PS do you know who AR10 BCW builds on? Is it DPMS or Armalite?

I will find out on Saturday. He should be up there.

[Squib Joe]

I wouldn't discount the FN FNAR if you're looking for an accurate autoloader. MOA accuracy is guaranteed and many owners are doing much better.

[Holland&Holland]

I just aquired this same rig and took it to the range this weekend to sight in. I was very impressed to say the least. Best performance of the session was a 4 shot group (mag holds 4) the was less than 1.5 inches at 200 meters (Oakdale). I have never shot that good in my life so this rifle is a much better shooter than I am. This grouping was repeatable as well. Planning on it being my coyote rig.

It's a great rifle, just a little on the heavy side but then again so are all 308 size autos. I'm sure you will grow to love it more and more as you use it, if the OP hadn’t specifically said 308 I would have suggested he look at the 243win, I'll take 6mm ballistics over 30 cal any day, especially when we are talking 20" barrels.
With my pet load (75 Vmax 39.2 GR RL15 WLRP- WIN Case- OAL from Hornady book) I can go sub MOA all day long with the 10X scope, my best group ever was 5 under 2" @ 400, at that range the cross hairs on the hunting scope were really holding me back (too thick). If SHTF I think this would be the one rifle I would grab, I see no others in my safe that could potentially be as useful. Make sure to pick up a bunch of 25 rd P-Mags for yours, just in case the zombies roll in, you can head shoot-em @ 300 yards.

I love it already. I have always had a soft spot for the .243 and in this rifle it is lights out. I think for true range work my reticle was a limitation as it is the coyote special BDC so it has no cross hairs and at 200 yards is a bot of a challenge on paper but for yotes, it is going to be great. I think I have to agree with you on the SHTF comment as well. I was using hornaday factory ammo (58 gr V-max load, moly coated). I was worried that with that light of a bullet the .243 might not be the right twist to be accurate but was very happy with the results. I will post a pic when I get a chance.

[hammAR]

Ideal for all around and three gun.................

[Belgiboy]

No, that is at least 700 rounds

What sort of trays are they? I recognize RAGGED's red MTM trays.

Those are styrofoam trays that our blood collection tubes are packed in. They hold a .45 nice and snug and best of all, totally free if you know your way around a hospital lab .

[Heretical1]

CETME for cheap / PTR-91 if you're made of money. i really like the G3 platform and for all around, i don't think you can get much better.

Ditto --> PTR-91, but with the qualification that you get either an earlier JLD build, or a later, corrected Scorpion build. The one's in the middle wouldn't fire tar-sealed ammo and several other military surplus rounds unless the barrel was re-fluted (on the inside at the breach end). One guy said they turned his gun into a bolt action, but that it was optimal for sniping since nothing moved after the round left the barrel. My early JLD build operates flawlessly with German MEN surplus ammo. Moreover, the bolt carrier and trigger assembly groups appear to be genuine H&K stock parts, which wouldn't surprise me, because all these early clones were kit-built rifles.

The CETME's reputation is dubious for having screwed the pooch on some manufacturing defect that threw the head spacing off. Allegedly, the manufacturer, Century Int'l Arms, ground the bolt heads to bring the gaps back into spec. Allegedly, however, this produced a substandard, and hence, sometimes unreliable weapon. Some CETME aficionados believe that this defect is incorrectable unless the barrel is repressed, thus necessitating $$$ in remedial repairs. There are several different message board forums dedicated to this issue, of which this one is a representative example -->> http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/inde ... 46421.html

That German MEN surplus ammo (which I love, although it may be tar sealed) is hot, wicked accurate, and so cheap that... who cares about damaged brass?

I,too, wanted an all-purpose survival-oriented weapon in a common NATO caliber. I researched them all. I downloaded owners manuals to see what was involved in field stripping them. The PTR requires no tools for field stripping, and it's so easy a cave man could do it. Moreover, field stripping doesn't produce any small, easy-to-lose parts (just be sure to immediately reinsert the stock retention pins in the stock), unless you break down the entire bolt carrier group (which is only necessary for a 1000-round cleaning). The best part is that for discreet transport, after the stock is removed, it fits neatly into a baseball bat bag (augmented with padding taken from a deluxe ironing board cover) that you can get cheaply at a second-hand sporting goods store for $13 (like new).

Everything on my JLD build, except for the furniture, is high-grade steel. There's no gas tube to damage. I'm betting that you could run a deuce-and-a-half over it and it would still operate flawlessly. With an 18" matched "bull" barrel and good ammo, it's highly accurate, and recoil was far less than an M-60. Using the iron sights, I put 3 consecutive rounds within a group the size of a nickle at 25 yards. There was no paper left in the center of that group. Other accounts tell of 1" groups at 100 yards, and I believe them.

The German military accessories for PTR's are cheap at the grade 2 level, and, although they aren't always pretty, like almost everything German made, they're meticulously manufactured. Every magazine out of a batch of 12 (@ $2/ea.) was serviceable, although several were dirty, and 3 needed to be stripped down for cleaning. I used automotive brake cleaner, the kind you can use on aluminum without worry. For the cost of the weapon and accessories, I think it's the biggest bang for buck, given the punishment it will take.

The biggest disadvantage to the PTR is the weight. But do you want a nearly indestructible MBR or not? Just get a well-padded sling and suck it up.

[AFTERMATH]

I'd take my m14s to hell and back.