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BAN THE GUNS! They're at it again.

Postby traveler on Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:58 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/11/congressman-pete-king-introduce-gun-safety-arizona-shooting/

Rep. Peter King said Tuesday he plans to introduce a new gun safety bill in Congress in the wake of the mass shooting in Arizona that killed six people and wounded 14 others, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz.

King said his bill would make it illegal to knowingly carry a gun within a thousand feet of "certain high-profile" government officials.


Another move to regulate firearms, with an eye toward the banning of them.

I have lived through the Kennedy presidential assassination, and the aftermath that removed the ability for the average citizen to order a firearm via mailorder. How many hundreds, or thousands, or tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, or perhaps millions of firearms had been ordered prior to that legislative nonsense that were never used for nefarious ends?

Then the senator Kennedy assassination and the attempts on Ford and Reagan. More legislative folderol.

Back in the days when behavior modification via legislation was not as overt, and when there was respect for rights, the assassinations of Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley did not result in firearm bans and regulations.

I take note that it is the more liberal among the legislators that are clamoring for more firearm regulations. These are the same people that have brought us food bans, the spectre of mandatory purchases of health insurance, and all of the rights usurptions via the use of Orders For Protection, and on and on.

How I wish that our state and federal legislative bodies could be rolled back to true servants of the people, and not another protected class — soon to be a "highly" protected class, all 1,000 feet of it.
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Re: BAN THE GUNS! They're at it again.

Postby traveler on Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:12 pm

A bit of a follow up:

Harry Truman - On November 1, 1950, two Puerto Rican nationals attempted to kill President Truman to bring attention to the case for Puerto Rican independence. The President and his family were staying at the Blair House across from the White House and the two attempted assassins, Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola, tried to shoot their way into the house. Torresola killed one and wounded another policeman while Collazo wounded one policeman. Torresola died in the gunfight. Collazo was arrested and sentenced to death which Truman commuted to life in prison. Carter freed Collazo from prison in 1979.


Why am I not surprised that president Carter would have released a potential presidential assassin from prison? :roll:
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Postby PileDriver on Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:15 pm

Yes, that would certainly have stopped the AZ shooting.

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*sees new law on the news*

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Postby Tommy Gun on Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:18 pm

traveler wrote:A bit of a follow up:

Harry Truman - On November 1, 1950, two Puerto Rican nationals attempted to kill President Truman to bring attention to the case for Puerto Rican independence. The President and his family were staying at the Blair House across from the White House and the two attempted assassins, Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola, tried to shoot their way into the house. Torresola killed one and wounded another policeman while Collazo wounded one policeman. Torresola died in the gunfight. Collazo was arrested and sentenced to death which Truman commuted to life in prison. Carter freed Collazo from prison in 1979.


Why am I not surprised that president Carter would have released a potential presidential assassin from prison? :roll:


By the way, an excellent book on the attempted assassination of Harry Truman is American Gunfight by Stephen Hunter. I knew nothing of this incident until I heard Hunter interviewed on the radio and subsequently read the book. The only other comment I'll make is to mention the name Leslie Coffelt. He was the policeman who, though mortally wounded, likely saved Truman's life.

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Postby LarryFlew on Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:22 pm

PileDriver wrote:Yes, that would certainly have stopped the AZ shooting.


any new law based on something that has happened should have to prove that it would have stopped that from happening.
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Postby Gecko, Extra Crispy on Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:36 am

LarryFlew wrote:
PileDriver wrote:Yes, that would certainly have stopped the AZ shooting.


any new law based on something that has happened should have to prove that it would have stopped that from happening.

They can't legislate that way nothing would get passed and what would they do with all our money!
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Postby Heffay on Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:46 am

Rabble rabble rabble! Guns are bad!

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This has zero chance of going anywhere. This is a few politicians trying to make political hay out of a tragedy. A few congressional outliers who are pandering to their special interests. They are being moronic at the highest levels, and deserve our spite, but let's not get overly worried about the results of their actions.

It's a good time to donate to the NRA if you want to do something really useful.
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Postby DeanC on Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:57 am

Heffay wrote:It's a good time to donate to the NRA if you want to do something really useful.

And do it in their name - :D

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A donation in the amount of $100 has been made to the NRA-ILA in your name. We thank you for your support.
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Postby Pezhead on Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:49 pm

My question would be your at the State Fair or Target and one of these people happen to be there just walking around. Do they have to wear an alert device so you know where they are?
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Postby Heffay on Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:54 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/01/12/c ... tml?hpt=C1

A high-capacity magazine in effect turns a semiautomatic firearm into a weapon of mass destruction.


There is no emoticon to properly express my feelings right now.

But as Tucson tragically reminds us, mass shootings have a vastly disproportionate impact on our sense of well-being and security.


This is America. You don't have a constitutional right to "feel" secure.
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Postby Gecko, Extra Crispy on Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:55 pm

Heffay wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/01/12/cook.ludwig.gun.control/index.html?hpt=C1

A high-capacity magazine in effect turns a semiautomatic firearm into a weapon of mass destruction.


There is no emoticon to properly express my feelings right now.

just look at DeanC's avatar :lol:
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Postby hammAR on Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:01 pm

For Heffay.............

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Postby rugersol on Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:38 pm

Heffay wrote:This is America. You don't have a constitutional right to "feel" secure.

Current DUI is 0.08 ... is it not?

I hear there's talk of holding our highway taxes hostage 'til we drop it to 0.05.

Either way, "constitutional" 'er not, it seems to me, absolutely nothing will keep politicians from passing legislation that does little to nothing else, than make people "feel" secure.

No question ... someday ... we'll have ANOTHER 10rd ban (if that) ... might be 5yr from now ... might be 25yr ... might be 50yr ... simply cannot have all this other kinda "progress", and yet have almost no "progress" on gun control.

If not fer the turnover in D.C., I'd say odds'd better 'n 50/50 we'd see it next year. As it is, there's definitely some deals to be made.

Maybe we'll find out more at 7:00. I doubt it ... I'd guess this one'll come at the 11th hour tacked onto some "budget" bill 'er something.

Oddly 'nuff, that could be the one thing that keeps Osama from a 2nd term. Image
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Postby scotts87iroc on Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:29 pm

I like the fact the article states that you can't "knowingly" be within 1000 feet of a political official. I wonder if that would've stopped this crazy guy from shooting all of these people! Oh, wait. I forgot. It's only the law abiding citizens that this will affect.

I also saw something today that stated the only purpose for a 33 round magazine was for mass killings. Have these people ever heard about shooting at the range and being required to reload less often? Where are the big gun supporters with the counter responses to all of this crap in the media? I have not heard anything from the NRA or the NAGR or any professional gun industry leaders.
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Postby tazdevil on Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:10 pm

scotts87iroc wrote:I like the fact the article states that you can't "knowingly" be within 1000 feet of a political official. I wonder if that would've stopped this crazy guy from shooting all of these people! Oh, wait. I forgot. It's only the law abiding citizens that this will affect.

I also saw something today that stated the only purpose for a 33 round magazine was for mass killings. Have these people ever heard about shooting at the range and being required to reload less often? Where are the big gun supporters with the counter responses to all of this crap in the media? I have not heard anything from the NRA or the NAGR or any professional gun industry leaders.



I don't think you'll hear anything from them for a while. I think they're playing it smart and not trying to "capitalize" on a tragic situation as the anti-gun crowd have. I imagine that if a ban on higher cap magazines comes into play, the pro gun will go the route of trying to compromise with the anti gun crowd, instead of directly fighting them for a better PR stance overall. After all, if the pro gun go the route of "lets limit this to 15+1 magazine/gun combo's" and provide that as a compromise, the anti gun people will look pretty bad by saying "NO! its 10 or nothing!".

Anyhow, they'll probably try to ban the 9mm first, after all, that's the round that committed all these atrocities!


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