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Nearly 400 Can Carry Guns at Minnesota State Capitol

Postby hammAR on Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:30 pm

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/minnesota/mn-capitol-400-permit-to-carry-gun-jan-12-2011

ST. PAUL, Minn. - Minnesota’s permit to carry law makes it very clear you’re not allowed to carry a weapon on the State Capitol grounds unless you have permission. What you may not know is nearly 400 people have permission and can carry weapons at the State Capitol with no additional background check.


Every P2C holder should send a letter regardless if you every go there or not, just to keep reminding .gov that we exist, we are here, and we care.

Letter Format in Reference Section: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=7625


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Re: Nearly 400 Can Carry Guns at Minnesota State Capitol

Postby ttousi on Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:53 pm

double the number would be nice.........and doable very easily
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Re: Nearly 400 Can Carry Guns at Minnesota State Capitol

Postby JJ on Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:01 pm

Attach copies of DL and Permit to both?
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Re: Nearly 400 Can Carry Guns at Minnesota State Capitol

Postby ttousi on Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:12 pm

JJH wrote:Attach copies of DL and Permit to both?


Don't think it's required but many do so.
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Re: Nearly 400 Can Carry Guns at Minnesota State Capitol

Postby Steelheart on Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:54 pm

How long does one stay in the system there? I sent in a notification back for the first anniversary rally at the Capitol. I don't think I've been there sense the second rally there however.

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Re: Nearly 400 Can Carry Guns at Minnesota State Capitol

Postby ttousi on Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:39 am

Steelheart wrote:How long does one stay in the system there? I sent in a notification back for the first anniversary rally at the Capitol. I don't think I've been there sense the second rally there however.

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Re: Nearly 400 Can Carry Guns at Minnesota State Capitol

Postby jaydubs on Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:34 pm

I just read through Minnesota Statute 609.66, and I was wondering if I could get a second opinion. Once you give notice to the sheriff and commissioner of public safety, does that also mean you can carry "within any courthouse complex?" I know that the Hennepin County court building has metal detectors and such, and I don't imagine trying to explain carrying a firearm to the security guards there would go over well.

Is there another statute at work that allows State buildings and courthouses to ban guns on their premises? This article suggests that there is, but I can't find the specific language to which it refers. http://minnetonka.patch.com/articles/pa ... -city-hall

Anyway, I was curious, and some of you folks seem to be pretty knowledgeable about the law.
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Re: Nearly 400 Can Carry Guns at Minnesota State Capitol

Postby Rotary12 on Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:10 pm

ttousi wrote:
Steelheart wrote:How long does one stay in the system there? I sent in a notification back for the first anniversary rally at the Capitol. I don't think I've been there sense the second rally there however.

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I was questioning that about a year ago and was informed from the Commissioner of Public Safety office that the letter is good as long as you have a valid permit. When I renew my permit, I'll be updating my letter too.
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Re: Nearly 400 Can Carry Guns at Minnesota State Capitol

Postby hammAR on Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:26 pm

Rotary12 wrote:I was questioning that about a year ago and was informed from the Commissioner of Public Safety office that the letter is good as long as you have a valid permit. When I renew my permit, I'll be updating my letter too.


Agreed in theory it should be lifetime or until permit is not renewed or revoked,
but in practice there is a new Commissioner and we don't yet have a clear position regarding this from her,
and as a matter of practice, it wouldn't hurt anyone to resubmit........just CYA........
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Re: Nearly 400 Can Carry Guns at Minnesota State Capitol

Postby hammAR on Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:58 pm

jaydubs wrote:I just read through Minnesota Statute 609.66, and I was wondering if I could get a second opinion. Once you give notice to the sheriff and commissioner of public safety, does that also mean you can carry "within any courthouse complex?" I know that the Hennepin County court building has metal detectors and such, and I don't imagine trying to explain carrying a firearm to the security guards there would go over well.

Is there another statute at work that allows State buildings and courthouses to ban guns on their premises? This article suggests that there is, but I can't find the specific language to which it refers. http://minnetonka.patch.com/articles/pa ... -city-hall

Anyway, I was curious, and some of you folks seem to be pretty knowledgeable about the law.


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The Minnesota Citizens' Personal Protection Act provide individuals "the inherent right ... to self-protection through the lawful use of self-defense".

To effectuate its purpose, the statute severely restricts local government power. Not only does it now require sheriffs to issue permits to all applicants who meet the statutory criteria, it also prohibits local governments from restricting handgun possession on public property -- including courthouses and other judicial complexes.

As a response to the law -- and in apparent disregard of it -- many local government entities are banning guns from government buildings. District court judges have similarly banned firearms in courthouse complexes. Thirty-six counties throughout Minnesota are said to have promulgated bans excluding weapons from court buildings, although the bans vary from county to county.

For example:
- Chief Judge J. Thomas Mott directed that individuals entering the city hall-county courthouse complex in downtown Saint Paul must remove their guns.
- In the 4th Judicial District, Chief Judge Kevin Burke banned all guns from the Hennepin County Government Center.
- In the 1st District, however, Chief Judge Richard Spicer opted not extend his ban to administration buildings in Dakota County.

Again, activist Judges have initiated their judicial orders as a response to the law -- and in apparent disregard of it -- and none have been challenged.......yet!
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Re: Nearly 400 Can Carry Guns at Minnesota State Capitol

Postby Rotary12 on Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:04 pm

Who's up for a challenge? :bolt:
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Re: Nearly 400 Can Carry Guns at Minnesota State Capitol

Postby jaydubs on Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:09 pm

Thanks hammAR. That was exactly the kind of answer and analysis I was hoping for. If this forum had a +rep button, I'd totally be giving you all kinds of non-redeemable internet appreciation dollars. :D
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Re: Nearly 400 Can Carry Guns at Minnesota State Capitol

Postby RobD on Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:31 pm

jaydubs wrote:I just read through Minnesota Statute 609.66, and I was wondering if I could get a second opinion. Once you give notice to the sheriff and commissioner of public safety, does that also mean you can carry "within any courthouse complex?" I know that the Hennepin County court building has metal detectors and such, and I don't imagine trying to explain carrying a firearm to the security guards there would go over well.

Is there another statute at work that allows State buildings and courthouses to ban guns on their premises? This article suggests that there is, but I can't find the specific language to which it refers. http://minnetonka.patch.com/articles/pa ... -city-hall

Anyway, I was curious, and some of you folks seem to be pretty knowledgeable about the law.


Ask Joel Rosenberg about that. He was arrested and is awaiting trial for carrying into Chief Dolan's office in Minneapolis City Hall, because a Judge declared it a courhouse.

Judge Swenson wrote a court order in 2008, stating that it was firearms were banned in court facilities, regardless of a permit to carry.

As far as the local city halls go,

624.714 Subd. 23. wrote:This section sets forth the complete and exclusive criteria and procedures for the issuance of permits to carry and establishes their nature and scope. No sheriff, police chief, governmental unit, government official, government employee, or other person or body acting under color of law or governmental authority may change, modify, or supplement these criteria or procedures, or limit the exercise of a permit to carry.


They cannot ban carry, and they know it. Most of them have "not welcomed" signs... Zero legal enforceability.

jaydubs wrote:Thanks hammAR. That was exactly the kind of answer and analysis I was hoping for. If this forum had a +rep button, I'd totally be giving you all kinds of non-redeemable internet appreciation dollars. :D


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Re: Nearly 400 Can Carry Guns at Minnesota State Capitol

Postby tman on Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:36 am

If I could look into my crystal ball and predict the future, I would predict that if the j"udicial" court house bans are found to non-binding, the law will be changed to accomodate courthouses.

I would be fine with that.
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Re: Nearly 400 Can Carry Guns at Minnesota State Capitol

Postby RobD on Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:25 am

tman wrote:If I could look into my crystal ball and predict the future, I would predict that if the j"udicial" court house bans are found to non-binding, the law will be changed to accomodate courthouses.

I would be fine with that.

I'm not so certain..... A prominent TC attorney explained to me that Courts aren't under direct legislative authority. They can make more guidelines on rules and procedures, including banning guns, within the limits of the courts. They of course would not extend beyond the courts.
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