afossum wrote:farmerj wrote:afossum wrote:I feel your pain. Had the same problem at Cabela's last month. Got my PTP dated 12/9 so thought the check at Cabela's would be a snap. No such luck, 3 day delay.
That 3 days does not include the day of the check, and is working days, not weekends or holidays. I was doing this just before Christmas so ended up waiting a week. When I called Cabela's after the wait, they said they had not heard anything back, so I could pickup the handgun. I had found something from a private party so did not complete the transaction.
I will more then likely be going through the delay again next week. I ordered a handgun from Buds to be delivered to Burnsville Pistol Range. Buts its just what a person has to do.
Al
Scheel's in St Cloud has told me it is company policy you would not be allowed to pick up any firearm if they did not get a proceed. Even if the wait time is up. No proceed, no sale.
It's all very confusing to me, seems if you receive your PTP from your local police department that would be the end of the story. I don't really have a problem with the 3 day delay, but when the NICS doesn't even respond during the 3 days one way or the other, what good is it? Or are the state requirements less strict the NICS?
Guess you need to understand the purpose and background behind the PTP, PTC and NICS. (This is a ROUGH look)
PTP/PTC have been on the books LONG before NICS came about. NICS is a result of the Brady Bill after Pres Reagan had an assassination attempt made on him. NICS is a supposed to be a federal collection of information that makes a person a "Prohibited person" for possessing firearms. This includes information on misdemeanor crimes of domestic violence, mental health concerns as well as other more serious charges involving assault and other violent crimes.
After the creation of NICS in 1994 or so, this became a full time, every transaction from a federally licensed dealer required this process to be completed. Prior to 1994, I didn't do much in Minnesota to purchase a firearm.
Having a PTP this year though, it pretty much is an application for a person to have a background check completed by the local LEO. This could be either the local police department for someone who lives in town or the local sheriff. This is only for a handgun or an assault rifle as defined by law.
What it does NOT do is relieve the purchaser of completing a Form 4473 when you purchase a firearm regardless of what type you purchase. So even if you go get a PTP, you have to complete a Form 4473. This duplicates the same process at each purchase instead of just the annual PTP.
In 2004 when I worked at Sportsman's Warehouse in Fargo ND. If we sold a firearm in North Dakota and they had a permit to Carry, there was a NICS Number on the card. That number was put onto the Form 4473 and they were sent out the door.
Minnesota does not put the NICS number on the PTP or the PTC. As such,
and required by state law, you are required to complete a transfer report. This addresses pistols and assault weapons, but does not address long guns or shotguns.
So it is redundant in what it does.
NICS, as provided in the links above, does provide a means of addressing a person who has been denied or delayed and how to obtain a personal ID number to stop those unnecessary denials or delays.
