Now I need to pick one off the list.

[mnglocker]

Get the Armscor 1911 in .45 and play with it for a while.

[Snowgun]

40 is a pain, 38 super is hella expensive, and you have to find all your damn brass all the time and it's hard to see.

Get the 1911 armscor in 9mm. You have other plastic guns, time for you to get a real piece of metal.

[winn0040]

A lot of Slow & Worthless haters on the forum. I've got two .40S&W Glocks and actually like the caliber and ammo selection. The recoil is certainly more snappy than 9x19 or .45ACP, but I find it to be more than manageable. A box of .40 can be found for as little as $11.99 on sale so the cost difference isn't dramatically more than 9mm, but it will add up over time.

[mnglocker]

I've got a pile of .40's too, in fact I carry a .40 about 50% of the time.

However, if this is just going to be used for paper punching, a 45 has more manageable recoil as does a 9mm. The 9mm will be cheaper to load, however a 1911 is the only gun on his list with a proper target trigger. And I'd echo larryflew with the recommendation of a CZ 75b that's another excellent pistol in his price range, I'd get it in 9mm as a purist however.

[ex-LT]

If you're serious about the Armscor, the best prices I've seen on them are here.

9mm Tactical
.38 Stoopid

Unfortunately, they're out of stock right now, but it gives you an idea on pricing.

[Seismic Sam]

$474 from Gunstop in 38 Super, and the barrel is set up to run 9x23 Winchester, and the gun is ungodly strong, and the mag holds 18 instead of 9. Standard 9x23 factory velocity with a 125 grain bullet is 1450 FPS, which makes it fully equivalent of the 357 Sig and 357 Magnum at this bullet weight.

[Snowgun]

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???

Not trying to be an obstructionist on your fine submission of a purchase worthy firearm, but how the hell does one come up with this metric?

I can only imagine you taking it out of the box at gunstop and banging the **** out of it on the counter.

[Seismic Sam]

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???

Not trying to be an obstructionist on your fine submission of a purchase worthy firearm, but how the hell does one come up with this metric?

I can only imagine you taking it out of the box at gunstop and banging the **** out of it on the counter.

You ask a valid question, so I'll give you a valid answer. The 9x23 is far, far away from being a 38 Super cartridge, and in fact it is a shortened and reamed .223 cartridge that uses small rifle primers and runs at 52,000 PSI at full power. The empty case weight tells some of the tale, and TEN 9x23 Win cases weigh 50.9 grams while the same number of 38 Supercomp cases weigh about 41 grams. WAAAY more brass in a 9x23 case. The EAA with a 22# recoil spring eats this stuff all day, and quite frankly the felt recoil is less than a 357 Sig P226 probably because the main body of the gun is deeper in the web of your hand.

2nd reason is an EAA 45 that I worked up to 45 Super, with magnaporting, heavy springs, and a Sprinco recoil reducer, and I went .1 grain over the limit wih some loads so when the case ejected it was still under pressure, and bulged out in a symmetrical fashion. (Unlike Tupperware!) When I went to resize those 5 cases, the first one ran into the carbide die, stuck, and then with a large pull came out with the carbide ring stuck on the case!! I will admit it was a 25 year old die... I figured I had stretched out the chamber and ruined the barrel, and took the gun back to Gunstop to measure the chamber ID against a new gun. The ID's came up dead identical. Since then I have gone through 100's of rounds of 45 Super ammo that puts a 185 grain XTP out the 4.4" bbl at 1260 FPS, and the gun is alive and well, and the brass resizes just fine. I have had experienced shooters back away from me at Oakdale when I am shooting this gun and ask them if they want to try it. All this is accomplished withOUT a ramped Nowlin barrel. That to me means the EAA is a very stout gun.

As a side note, the Wonderfinish on plain EAA Witnesses is ungodly hard due to some treatment they do to the metal, and the frame (or slide) CANNOT be drilled and tapped by ANY means.

[gyrfalcon]

From the picture you posted it seems like the slide has some dings on it where it meets up with the rails of the receiver... what's with that?

[Srigs]

M&P 40 full size or compact. I love both of mine.

[rugersol]

The empty case weight tells some of the tale, and TEN 9x23 Win cases weigh 50.9 grams while the same number of 38 Supercomp cases weigh about 41 grams.

I know yer a stickler fer details ... so I thought I'd simply point out, this suggests that a gun that would tolerate "hot" .38 Super loads, is actually the "stronger" gun. Moreover, this "strength" would actually be of the bbl, not the frame or slide. Properly "sprung" there's really not much else to worry about, in most modern pistols ... right? I've got "tupperware" that I bought two springs for ... just in case ... and I had to back off the stronger one ... for some super-hot CorBon 10mm ... which it promptly digested with no ill effects ... and makes your 9x23 seem like a 9x19, by comparison.

Otherwise, I think you make a good case!

But I think what's on everyone's mind, regarding your prized EAA's, is ... "how many rounds will it reliably shoot, before it needs to be cleaned?"

[meddin]

Another vote for a 9mm CZ75.

[Seismic Sam]

From the picture you posted it seems like the slide has some dings on it where it meets up with the rails of the receiver... what's with that?

Not dings, but wear on the bluing of the slide.

[Seismic Sam]

[quote="ahrens]But I think what's on everyone's mind, regarding your prized EAA's, is ... "how many rounds will it reliably shoot, before it needs to be cleaned?" [/quote]


Seeing as I normally clean my guns after a trip to the range, I'll probably never know, but my 9x23 loads all run on VV3N37 powder, which is incredibly clean burning. SD of the velocity is only SIX FPS!!

[rugersol]

SD of the velocity is only SIX FPS!!

Fer what? ... two shots?

That's purdy nice! Ya certainly make a strong case! I was thinkin' of a XDM 3.8 ... but fer no good reason. I'd prefer a 1911 ... but at this point, another one'd seem a little silly. Somehow, most of my doublestacks've gone away. I got a P226 I never shoot ... G20 I keep Fin' with to make it interesting ... always thought a CZ-style pistol'd be neat ... may as well have one more ... and in .38 Super, might even be interesting 'nuff to shoot at least once a year.

How's that 9x23 brass resize outta that .38 Super chamber? I presume the bore is .355, not .356?

I won't ask ya how long yer brass lasts.