Garage Logic against Stand Your Ground

View · by **cmj685** on Fri May 13, 2011 4:01 pm

Unfortunately about five minutes ago Garage Logic spent about 10 minutes refuting the need for the Stand Your Ground legislation. Their point was that the current bill is good enough. That viewpoint seems to be gathering momentum; comments such as "Why should anyone be allowed to shoot a teenager who breaks into the garage to steal a bike" are becoming commonplace to refute the legislation. We really need some good people to stand up and make excellent arguments for the logic of this legislation at this point, I think.

View · by **Squib Joe** on Fri May 13, 2011 4:12 pm

Maybe you could explain what Garage Logic is?

View · by **cmj685** on Fri May 13, 2011 4:16 pm

Sorry--thought everyone knew! KSTP 1500 ESPN, Joe Soucheray, Patrick Reusse and the gang--always staunchly conservative, pro-gun, etc. When they come out against the legislation, I think it is fair to say that we are losing the marketing battle big time!

View · by **JeremiahMN** on Fri May 13, 2011 4:17 pm

So far from the videos and online forum debates I've seen regarding the issue, the pro-stand your ground side has had more logical, and IMO truthful arguments for the bill. Unfortunately politics has nothing to do with logic or truth, it's all about emotion and spin. Unless the pro side can put a face on this issue, I don't think it's going to happen. They need to have someone to tell their story about how they went bankrupt and lost everything in legal fees for defending themselves, or someone that was wrongly imprisoned, etc...

View · by **xd ED** on Fri May 13, 2011 4:19 pm

cmj685 wrote:Unfortunately about five minutes ago Garage Logic spent about 10 minutes refuting the need for the Stand Your Ground legislation. Their point was that the current bill is good enough. That viewpoint seems to be gathering momentum; comments such as "Why should anyone be allowed to shoot a teenager who breaks into the garage to steal a bike" are becoming commonplace to refute the legislation. We really need some good people to stand up and make excellent arguments for the logic of this legislation at this point, I think.

Still babbling @ 1720; seems Joe has lost more than his voice

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View · by **Chunkychuck** on Fri May 13, 2011 4:26 pm

Squib Joe wrote:Maybe you could explain what Garage Logic is?

It is a afternoon talk radio show on KSTP 1500 hosted by Joe Souchery. It is a common sense type of show. The title "Garage Logic" has as its basis that one can figure out the answer to most problems by pondering on them while in the garage. Joe is mostly conservative and a major critic of big government but I can see him taking the stance he does. He is, however, not beyond changing his viewpoint on something when he gets a better explanation of a matter.

View · by **macphisto** on Fri May 13, 2011 4:38 pm

Squib Joe wrote:Maybe you could explain what Garage Logic is?

View · by JJ on Fri May 13, 2011 4:40 pm

macphisto wrote:
Squib Joe wrote:Maybe you could explain what Garage Logic is?

You're doing it wrong Mac.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Garage+Logic

View · by **xd ED** on Fri May 13, 2011 4:54 pm

JeremiahMN wrote:So far from the videos and online forum debates I've seen regarding the issue, the pro-stand your ground side has had more logical, and IMO truthful arguments for the bill. Unfortunately politics has nothing to do with logic or truth, it's all about emotion and spin. Unless the pro side can put a face on this issue, I don't think it's going to happen. They need to have someone to tell their story about how they went bankrupt and lost everything in legal fees for defending themselves, or someone that was wrongly imprisoned, etc...

I share your pessimism. At the heart of the issue are some complex, yet distinct legal issues. On the surface it's back to the 'shoot 'em up/ blood in the streets' hysteria of the original carry law's deliberations. I'm not too surprised Soucherey is taking the 'headline' view. As KSTP slid into it's format change, in depth show prep became a thing of the past for Joe.

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View · by **TH3180** on Fri May 13, 2011 4:58 pm

xd ED wrote: I'm not too surprised Soucherey is taking the 'headline' view. As KSTP slid into it's format change, in depth show prep became a thing of the past for Joe.

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Before the format change I listened dang near everyday on my way home from work. After the change I found myself tuning in less and less. I haven't tuned in for a few months now. I found myself going what the heck are you thinking joe more and more. I never really thought about it. You hit the nail on the head with what you said.

View · by **Grayskies** on Fri May 13, 2011 4:59 pm

Maybe someone good at public speaking should call up and ask for some time on the show to explain the bill and why it is needed?

View · by **DeanC** on Fri May 13, 2011 5:14 pm

cmj685 wrote: Joe Soucheray, Patrick Reusse and the gang--always staunchly conservative, pro-gun,

Patrick has never been pro-gun. Joe is more against us than for us. His strongest argument against banning guns has been that it would just be too hard to gather them all up. He refers to his "super magnet theory"; meaning, until somebody develops a super magnet that can collect every last gun from everyone, we'll just have to live with them.

View · by **gyrfalcon** on Fri May 13, 2011 6:09 pm

Well you have armed American radio on 1280 at least.

View · by **cmj685** on Fri May 13, 2011 6:34 pm

I did hear just a snippet later where he happened to be reading an email from someone on the same issue (someone who disagreed with his stance), specifically on someone having to spend tens of thousands of dollars on legal defense, and then admitted that maybe "its more complicated than it looks". I think if someone on our side is really conversant with the bill, and can make a sane and persuasive argument, that Joe would give it plenty of play. Anyone?

View · by **solidgun** on Fri May 13, 2011 6:48 pm

Why is people breaking into my home?

What if someone just happen to break in to my home and my daughter is coming out of the shower and home alone?
What if someone just happen to run into my home and see a pile of money and decides to help themselves?
What if someone just happen to come in and see all the cool stuff?

If you know you may get shot by breaking into a home, people are less likely to enter by accident.

Also, I was concerned at one point about those who are not that well trained and accidentally shooting someone they intend not to shoot. But do you get shot right now as you walk into someone's home as a family member or after ringing the bell as a friend?
Police office chasing after criminal getting shot? They don't declare themselves as police or don't look like police? First response to seeing people right now isn't shoot first.

I understand that there are idiots who might misuse it. Well, if it protects all the innocent people, it wouldn't be any different than some other laws.

Sidenote: I didn't know what Garage Logic is either. I have my radios set to MPR and that hasn't moved in quite some time.