Range Safety Video

[Squib Joe]

If another shooter on the range tells you that you can't pick up your brass, talk to a range officer. If a range officer tells you that you can't pick up your brass, ask for his name and then ask to speak to a supervisor. The brass is yours, without a doubt, and you're entitled to safely collect it.

[xd ED]

If another shooter on the range tells you that you can't pick up your brass, talk to a range officer. If a range officer tells you that you can't pick up your brass, ask for his name and then ask to speak to a supervisor. The brass is yours, without a doubt, and you're entitled to safely collect it.

Most other shooters, and especially those with a mutual interest in recovering their brass, have never been an issue for me.
I had considered reporting the incident, perhaps I will, should something similar occur.
Thanks for responding, and good luck with the safety video.

[dcam]

I'm curious on the one gun thing? I've rented 2, and i've also brought 1 rented 1, to do comparisons, and it seems like it would be inconvenient and potentially less safe to be constantly casing/uncasing at the point in such a situation. (I did ask about 2, and at the time they said it was ok, so maybe 1 is a general rule, but 2 is ok on a case by case basis? Also I think there was only 1 other person using the range at the time, if that would make a difference)

Joe is that you starring as the employee in the vid?

I didn't think the music was as bad as people are making it out to be, although at first it was loud and I did turn down the volume a bit, lol.

A lot of info, and if the viewer is distracted for a second, something will probably be missed. I'm not sure if talking instead of just the subtitles would help that or not. Might end up too 'preachy' then. It's just a lot of content to fit in!

Overall i thought it was informative and interesting, watched it a couple times!

[DeanC]

A lot of info, and if the viewer is distracted for a second, something will probably be missed. I'm not sure if talking instead of just the subtitles would help that or not. Might end up too 'preachy' then. It's just a lot of content to fit in!

I was thinking this too. Maybe there could be a pause before going on to the next rule and show one slide with a plain background with the text of the rule for 15-20 seconds?

[Squib Joe]

I'm curious on the one gun thing? I've rented 2, and i've also brought 1 rented 1, to do comparisons, and it seems like it would be inconvenient and potentially less safe to be constantly casing/uncasing at the point in such a situation. (I did ask about 2, and at the time they said it was ok, so maybe 1 is a general rule, but 2 is ok on a case by case basis? Also I think there was only 1 other person using the range at the time, if that would make a difference)

I've seen 8 or 9 handguns stacked up on the shelf, and this is the problem. There is also the chance that the shooter leans into the shelf and pushes them off while shooting.. I've seen that too. In either case you have guns dropping on the concrete, and nobody wants that.

Joe is that you starring as the employee in the vid?

No. They couldn't pay me enough.

[gyrfalcon]

You may wish to cover hanging the target so the shooter is not shooting up into the ceiling, or into the walls...but rather the backstop. I also didn't really see anything about keeping the barrels of the firearms pointed down range at all times. I've seen a lot of people flag other shooters while trying to clear jams, etc...

[Keith81]

So permit holders can have two firearms on the line at one time since technically only one is uncased and the other is just unholstered?

When firing my carry gun I typically shoot that one first and then let it sit out while I shoot whatever ever else I brought. I prefer not to immediately holster a hot gun when carrying IWB, especially in the summer when its 80 outside and feels like 90 inside.

[LarryP]

I was watching people shoot at a range in Eden Prairie. The range people wouldn't let anyone shoot targets closer than 15 feet.
Anyone know why they would want that? I

[dcam]

I'm curious on the one gun thing? I've rented 2, and i've also brought 1 rented 1, to do comparisons, and it seems like it would be inconvenient and potentially less safe to be constantly casing/uncasing at the point in such a situation. (I did ask about 2, and at the time they said it was ok, so maybe 1 is a general rule, but 2 is ok on a case by case basis? Also I think there was only 1 other person using the range at the time, if that would make a difference)

I've seen 8 or 9 handguns stacked up on the shelf, and this is the problem. There is also the chance that the shooter leans into the shelf and pushes them off while shooting.. I've seen that too. In either case you have guns dropping on the concrete, and nobody wants that.

8 or 9, egads... yah I could see where that might not be a good idea!

[Squib Joe]

I also didn't really see anything about keeping the barrels of the firearms pointed down range at all times. I've seen a lot of people flag other shooters while trying to clear jams, etc...

This is covered at 2:54, although I'd maybe like to see it repeated 3 or 4 times

[Ken]

leave my brass alone

You're always free to pick up your brass at Bill's.. we've established this numerous times yet the rumor remains

With all due respect, I have been shooting while an employee behind me swept up my brass as it hit the floor.

On my most recent trip to Bill's North, within the past month, my lane was so cluttered with brass, before I started shooting, I grabbed a broom and sweep, my lane, and the area between the lane and the back bench, as a safety precaution against slipping.
Almost immediately, an employee told me, in a very authoritarian tone, I couldn't keep that brass. As I had pushed some of it down range, and the rest into a corner, under the bench, near the trash can, it seemed pretty obvious that wasn't my intention.
As I proceeded to shoot, the same employee- after finishing sweeping up some other lanes, returned to the area behind me, and when my brass hit the floor, quite literally one and two rounds at a time, made a point of sweeping it down range, where I could not retrieve it. I had stopped, after the first mag to pick up my brass, and would liked to have recovered more, had it not ended up being swept ahead of the safety line. I found it a bit odd that keeping the floor clean suddenly became an important issue, as it wasn't a concern before I started shooting, and there was no one else within 2 lanes of me.
While the value of the brass might not be a deal breaker, annoying behavior can be.

Allowing shooters to retrieve their brass is a reasonable thing to do, but it wasn't a rumor on the end of that broom.

No doubt there are valid reasons for not allowing brass scrounging: safety being #1, as well as interference with other shooters. And while there is revenue gained for the range from the recovery of brass, there is also revenue lost due to incidents as described above.

I had the same thing happen to me last time I was in there. The RO was kicking my brass downrange before I could even retrieve it. My casings literally hit the floor and then were quickly pushed beyond the firing line. I will not be returning.

[Scratch]

I think the video looks very professional, (except for that one typo...) and I think it's very clear for the new shooter. I say change those couple of words and go for it.
I've only shot there twice, both times I felt like I was in the presence of "gun snobs" (employees and customers) and I uderstand the logic for most of those rules....but I sure am glad that I can shoot in my backyard!

[Rodentman]

If one shoots a revolver at Bill's I assume he can simply pocket the brass. It will never hit the floor. I won't shoot anywhere I cannot recover my brass, auto or revolver. At BPR I've even had shooters see I was saving brass and they offered me theirs. Roger enforces his rules, as well he should, but he's a great guy once he gets to know you. Besides, I live 5 miles from BPR and about 4 times that from Bills.

[macphisto]

If one shoots a revolver at Bill's I assume he can simply pocket the brass. It will never hit the floor.

You have to be stealthy and quick about it or one of the brass nazis from hell (aka Bill's rep) will come and knock it out of your hand and over the ledge.

[Spartan]

How about adding the " gun Safety rules"
1. Treat every gun as if it is loaded
2. muzzle control:
3.know your target and what is beyond