Minneapolis Gun Rights Advocate Joel Rosenberg Dies

[Pinnacle]

Being a 911 operator is a tough job, one that I would not want. Not being critical, but in the interest of keeping you off of the radar, I would recommend Deleting your posts.

[goalie]

If I heard the EMS dispatch on my scanner, should I keep quiet about that?

I didn't, but just asking.

It would be completely up to you. I have different criteria as a civil servant. The content of a call is confidential, and anything said about it will be disseminated to the public via the public information officer for the department. No information is disclosed about the call by my saying I answered it.

I was being facetious. I don't think that disclosing the fact that you took the call is a HIPAA violation.

It isn't, but, since he shouldn't say anything else, what is the point of even mentioning it?

[Dave Pendleton]

It isn't, but, since he shouldn't say anything else, what is the point of even mentioning it?

I agree--just saying.

[Andrew Rothman]

Just for the record, a complete transcript of any 911 call is a public record, available for the cost of transcription. See MN Stat. 13.82, Subd. 4.

Sipowicz didn't do anything in the least bit inappropriate. I appreciate the good and vital work that he does.

[Greg]

Just for the record, a complete transcript of any 911 call is a public record, available for the cost of transcription. See MN Stat. 13.82, Subd. 4.

Sipowicz didn't do anything in the least bit inappropriate. I appreciate the good and vital work that he does.

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The whole event was handled if a very professional manner, starting with Sipowicz, the Mpls Cops who were first on the scene and took over CPR from Felicia, the EMS guys who did a heroic job getting him as stabilized as possible and the fine folks who took care of him at HCMC. The whole thing went a good as it possibly could under the circumstances.

The MPD folks who were first on the scene called HCMC hours later to see how he was doing!

A fine job by all involved!

Thanks!!!

[justaguy]

Just for the record, a complete transcript of any 911 call is a public record, available for the cost of transcription. See MN Stat. 13.82, Subd. 4.

Sipowicz didn't do anything in the least bit inappropriate. I appreciate the good and vital work that he does.

+!

The whole event was handled if a very professional manner, starting with Sipowicz, the Mpls Cops who were first on the scene and took over CPR from Felicia, the EMS guys who did a heroic job getting him as stabilized as possible and the fine folks who took care of him at HCMC. The whole thing went a good as it possibly could under the circumstances.

The MPD folks who were first on the scene called HCMC hours later to see how he was doing!

A fine job by all involved!

Thanks!!!

What did you expect?

[goalie]

Just for the record, a complete transcript of any 911 call is a public record, available for the cost of transcription. See MN Stat. 13.82, Subd. 4.

Sipowicz didn't do anything in the least bit inappropriate. I appreciate the good and vital work that he does.

Nobody is saying they don't appreciate what he does. I am, however, taking issue with his professional conduct. It is my opinion that one in such a position should refrain from making the types of comments that he did. They serve no purpose. He himself admitted that in a post.

Getting a complete transcript through proper channels is in no way related to the discussion at hand.

[Dick Unger]

Sipowitz did nothing wrong; gee, we all know each other, electronically at least, and all knew Joel. It's normal to mention your reaction when a group of folks discusses a member who has died. (And yeah, I actually checked the law.)

And if you think a friend may have made a mistake in publishing something, it's normal to send them a PM, not REPUBLISH or call everyone's attention to it.

[John S.]

I didn't often agree with some of the things Joel did, or how he treated me in my days on his forum. That said, he was a father and a husband, and I personally take no joy in his death. I hope when I die people will remember me positively.

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[Sipowicz]

I am, however, taking issue with his professional conduct. It is my opinion that one in such a position should refrain from making the types of comments that he did. They serve no purpose. He himself admitted that in a post.

I never agreed that they served no purpose. I said I see your point in considering it invaluable information, and stated that if forum administration felt it needed to be removed, then so be it. What this has to do with my professional conduct I don't understand. No laws were violated. No policy was violated. I see no ethical breech either. All I see is someone taking issue with something they deem an issue. I am fine with that - we all know what opinions are like.

Since it appears I must elaborate for some as to my thoughts and intentions over my initial post, it was really just a statement of information with people that knew him. I wasn't looking for props for the job I do or any self-gratifying benefits. Responses like DeanC finding it interesting that someone from the forum was closely involved, and the detail provided by Greg as to the course of events, is encouraging to see/hear. What I said was said as conversation - were this topic being done in person, I see no difference in what I would have said. As has been noted by others, in a situation of magnitude, positive or negative, it is normal to discuss with "like minded" people about the situation. Therapeutic even - which perhaps subconsciously was part of the reason for the initial post.

Anyway, my apologies for causing the topic to get hijacked, as that certainly was not the intention at any time.

[Greg]

If I heard the EMS dispatch on my scanner, should I keep quiet about that?

I didn't, but just asking.

Technically, yes, since it comes under disclosure of third party communications under (if I remember correctly) the communications act of 1934.

Theoretically, you can't disclose overheard communications by radio to a third party unless you were party to the communication, but it's totally legal to listen to it yourself; at least until the cell phone companies got them to make it illegal to listen to cell calls on your scanner (although that's mostly obsolete since everything is now digital).

I can't see how the cell phone thing would withstand a constitutional challenge but as someone was fond of saying "don't be a test case"!

That said, I've never heard of anyone prosecuted under the third party provisions.

[goalie]

As has been noted by others, in a situation of magnitude, positive or negative, it is normal to discuss with "like minded" people about the situation. Therapeutic even - which perhaps subconsciously was part of the reason for the initial post.

Anyway, my apologies for causing the topic to get hijacked, as that certainly was not the intention at any time.

Sorry, it looked like a "look at me" moment. Still does from where I am sitting.

I never said you did anything illegal. I just find it unprofessional and unneeded. It also opened the door to people asking you questions etc....

As for WHY I feel it is unprofessional, there are a lot of reasons. If you can't figure them out, I am glad you just answer the phone and don't actually provide any care directly to people.

[macphisto]

Sorry, it looked like a "look at me" moment.

Isn't that kind of exactly what we do here? I've seen many self-aggrandizing posts from you related to riding your bike and saving lives at the hospital. Try to be more professional.

[Sipowicz]

Sorry, it looked like a "look at me" moment. Still does from where I am sitting.

I never said you did anything illegal. I just find it unprofessional and unneeded.

Fair enough. Back to the comment re: opinions . . . . .

If I wanted it to become a "look at me" moment, I'd have probably been banned. Since I haven't been yet (though this may be toeing the line) I am under the pretense all is well. That said, I am well aware of the strong negative connotation of people regarding law enforcement, some of which I have seen here. Not everybody involved in law enforcement has a busted "give a damn" - that said, at least to me, it seems to be a breath of fresh air hearing how a situation was well handled, versus being inundated with the incessant stories of wrongdoings that seems to be the primary focus of the media re: law enforcement. While that was not the intention, it is something that can certainly be taken from the post.

It also opened the door to people asking you questions etc....

Which in so far as I can see, at least to this point, has not happened. Guess it still could. That said I get asked a lot of questions by friends and acquaintances re: law enforcement. I answer them all, but some get answered not in the way the person was hoping for (i.e. being unable to disclose, etc.).

As for WHY I feel it is unprofessional, there are a lot of reasons. If you can't figure them out, I am glad you just answer the phone and don't actually provide any care directly to people.

I am glad that you have clarified that you are unable to make a comment without some sort of a back handed remark. Perhaps I am patronizing you simply by responding, I don't know. What I do know is that "bustin' ours saving yours" is applicable to all aspects of emergency response, including 9-1-1. I am glad you have your reasons, alluding back to the opinions discussion, but I don't think it really matters if you say them or if I can figure them out, because at least in regards to that, my give a damn is busted.

[goalie]

Sorry, it looked like a "look at me" moment.

Isn't that kind of exactly what we do here? I've seen many self-aggrandizing posts from you related to riding your bike and saving lives at the hospital. Try to be more professional.

You have not seen me posting about taking care of members or their families/friends have you?

Thought so.

Like I said, I am glad you are answering phones.

Peace, out.