So you wanna be an action pistol champion

Gun related chat that doesn't fit in another forum

Re: So you wanna be an action pistol champion

Postby Keith on Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:41 am

rugersol wrote:

8rd ... 1.0 seconds ... 1 target ... figure 0.58 seconds from low-ready ... that's 0.06 x 7 splits ... shooting a DA revolver! :shock:

Although, watching the video, I'm guessing they subtracted the time to the first shot. :? ... 0.14 x 7 splits. Image


Yes. As I recall that did not include reaction time.
Yeah, but I shoot with THIS hand.
User avatar
Keith
 
Posts: 756 [View]
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:08 am
Location: Buffalo, MN

Re: So you wanna be an action pistol champion

Postby farmerj on Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:49 am

Since you shoot competitively and know your averages,

Post what you have and what you have done to get there.
We reap what we sow. In our case, we have sown our government.
Current moon phase
User avatar
farmerj
 
Posts: 4802 [View]
Joined: Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:11 am
Location: The edge of the universe in the vertex of time on the space continuum of confusion

Re: So you wanna be an action pistol champion

Postby Keith on Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:54 am

Getting back to the original topic, a little flare never hurt.
Cliff is the only person to have ever beat Jerry Miculek with a wheelgun. Maybe he's on to something.
Don't know if he offers training. He would probably accept beer as payment, though.


I cannot believe the mileage I am getting out of that video. It just seems to fit in so many situations.
Yeah, but I shoot with THIS hand.
User avatar
Keith
 
Posts: 756 [View]
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:08 am
Location: Buffalo, MN

Re: So you wanna be an action pistol champion

Postby Pitel on Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:55 am

.14-.15 at ten yards "A" zone only hits.

I maybe went close to .10 once in a match but there was no real way to prove it.

I never have recorded a sub .10 split in my life.

there is only one exercise i know of that gets your finger moving quickly.

Bill Drills. Plain and simple (correctly done)

Please also keep in mind, when I use this data , I am aiming and getting the hits I want. I never really pointed my gun in the berm to see what my finger was capable of.
User avatar
Pitel
 
Posts: 87 [View]
Joined: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:37 pm
Location: Rogers,mn

Re: So you wanna be an action pistol champion

Postby farmerj on Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:59 am

Who said I did?
We reap what we sow. In our case, we have sown our government.
Current moon phase
User avatar
farmerj
 
Posts: 4802 [View]
Joined: Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:11 am
Location: The edge of the universe in the vertex of time on the space continuum of confusion

Re: So you wanna be an action pistol champion

Postby brado on Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:07 am

Farmerj do you shoot USPSA?
brado
 
Posts: 289 [View]
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:25 am
Location: Rosemount

Re: So you wanna be an action pistol champion

Postby farmerj on Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:35 am

brado wrote:Farmerj do you shoot USPSA?


I had considered it. Was going to start in 2007 and issues arose that prevented it.

Those issues took any drive to compete with them
We reap what we sow. In our case, we have sown our government.
Current moon phase
User avatar
farmerj
 
Posts: 4802 [View]
Joined: Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:11 am
Location: The edge of the universe in the vertex of time on the space continuum of confusion

Re: So you wanna be an action pistol champion

Postby Payne on Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:56 am

My son Tyler is now shooting 3-gun for the Army Marksmanship Unit. He and I both started 3-gun competitions with little to no competition shooting experience. He was recruited because of the natural talent he showed at the major matches we went to.

The interesting thing I learned from him was the fact that they don't practice until they are knee deep in brass. They shoot relatively very few rounds, but the rounds they do shoot, they have timed with a timer and keep track of those times. Speaking from a 3-gun perspective, this is what he told me to work on.
1. Getting into or out of shooting positions as fast as possible - log the time from the movement until the shot.
2. Weapons transitions - the time it takes to safely ground one weapon and pick up another one and fire the shot.
3. Time to first shot - with handgun, shotgun, and rifle, from all different positions and weapons locations.
4. Target transitions
5. Reloads with all three weapons. Find what works the best for you based on the timer.
6. Shooting on the move and reloading on the move.
7. When you move - MOVE FAST! (that was the biggest thing for me).
More match time is saved with these helpful hints, than you will ever save by reducing your shot split times by .01 seconds. Basically, he told me to work on the "little" things, because he felt I already had a handle on the more major shooting challenges.

I find the shooting sports to not be a lot different than the OPs original analogy. In MMA if you don't have the moves, strikes, blocks, kicks, and holds already commited to your subconcious, you will never be able to "conciously" put these things into use fast enough to defend yourself. In shooting, if you don't have the above items commited to subconcious competence (you really don't need to think about it), you will be slower on your courses of fire than someone who does these things without even having to think about them.

Prior to Tyler going to the AMU we had received no type of competition type training. Everything was picked up from some extremely good and helpful local shooters like Keith, Bob Mills, Mark Peters, Tom Dalton, Pitel, etc..

For a good start to your training, get in touch with Mike Seeklander from USSA in Tulsa OK. He is their lead instructor and he will hook you up with a personal training regiment that can be constantly upgraded as you improve. This is mostly done on line, but it is a good way to learn from one of the best without the expense of going to classes. Take what you have learned to some local matches and use those matches as your personal training ground, don't worry about your placings. Seek advice from some of the people that are obviously very good at what they do and they are generally very open to offering advice, this is kind of a unique situation with the shooting sports. Note: just wait to speak with these people until after they have shot their course of fire so that they are allowed to concentrate on their own match without undue distraction.

Final note: If you go to http://www.brianenos.com there is a lot of very usable information there. If you go the "Range Diary" section, look for a post titled "Cha-Lee's Tale". This shooter has kept a range diary from when he first started shooting a couple of years ago, and how he has progressed to the Grand Master level in Limited division of the USPSA. The diary is complete with how has practiced, to how he broke down stages at matches, then a brief video of him shooting that stage. It is almost like taking a class from this gentleman. Very good information that I have found very educational.

Good luck in your journey.

PS - come to a local 3-gun shoot if you get a chance!
Payne
 
Posts: 286 [View]
Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:16 am

Re: So you wanna be an action pistol champion

Postby farmerj on Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:14 pm

Slow is smooth...
Smooth is fast.....
We reap what we sow. In our case, we have sown our government.
Current moon phase
User avatar
farmerj
 
Posts: 4802 [View]
Joined: Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:11 am
Location: The edge of the universe in the vertex of time on the space continuum of confusion

Re: So you wanna be an action pistol champion

Postby Pitel on Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:18 pm

But know when to explode.
User avatar
Pitel
 
Posts: 87 [View]
Joined: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:37 pm
Location: Rogers,mn

Re: So you wanna be an action pistol champion

Postby farmerj on Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:32 pm

Payne,

Congrats to your son. Talk about a dream duty assignment.

One thing that was presented to me is how you have to do something 3500 times for it to become muscle memory. Not just doing it 3500 times, but 3500 times PROPERLY.

Standing in front of a mirror practicing. Video taping yourself etc.

If you screw up, start over and do it again.
We reap what we sow. In our case, we have sown our government.
Current moon phase
User avatar
farmerj
 
Posts: 4802 [View]
Joined: Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:11 am
Location: The edge of the universe in the vertex of time on the space continuum of confusion

Re: So you wanna be an action pistol champion

Postby Snowgun on Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:01 pm

Wow, some great advice guys.

I especially like Payne's list. I have a feeling that those items get very overlooked. I bet over 80% of my time right now has to do with insufficiencies in these items. These are the things that a good coach who can teach can help with.

Which reminds me that I need a rifle coach, or at least one good class. Though I did decent at the last couple of matches, I feel like i'm making **** up when I use that thing. :D

payne wrote:PS - come to a local 3-gun shoot if you get a chance!


I'll be at scapsa this weekend, i'm finally in country to attend one of those things!
Victory is reserved for those who are willing to pay its price. - Sun Tzu

The Way is in training... Do nothing which is not of value. - Miyamato Musashi

One who knows the Self puts death to death. - Upanishads
User avatar
Snowgun
Events Coordinator
 
Posts: 3368 [View]
Joined: Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:06 pm
Location: Watching my CZ Catch the Sunlight!

Re: So you wanna be an action pistol champion

Postby Payne on Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:04 am

Good luck at SCAPSA.

The guys from the MN3GunGroup will put you on the right track. You will be shooting with some of the best 3-gunners in the country at that match. I won't be able to attend, but I am hoping to hit the Holmen WI 3-gun on Sunday.
Payne
 
Posts: 286 [View]
Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:16 am

Re: So you wanna be an action pistol champion

Postby Snowgun on Tue Jun 14, 2011 2:35 pm

Payne wrote:Good luck at SCAPSA.

The guys from the MN3GunGroup will put you on the right track. You will be shooting with some of the best 3-gunners in the country at that match. I won't be able to attend, but I am hoping to hit the Holmen WI 3-gun on Sunday.


I was gonna double down with that one but apparently I got trumped by fathers day...
Victory is reserved for those who are willing to pay its price. - Sun Tzu

The Way is in training... Do nothing which is not of value. - Miyamato Musashi

One who knows the Self puts death to death. - Upanishads
User avatar
Snowgun
Events Coordinator
 
Posts: 3368 [View]
Joined: Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:06 pm
Location: Watching my CZ Catch the Sunlight!

Re: So you wanna be an action pistol champion

Postby JoeH on Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:30 pm

Snowgun wrote:
Payne wrote:Good luck at SCAPSA.

The guys from the MN3GunGroup will put you on the right track. You will be shooting with some of the best 3-gunners in the country at that match. I won't be able to attend, but I am hoping to hit the Holmen WI 3-gun on Sunday.


I was gonna double down with that one but apparently I got trumped by fathers day...


I thought that Father's Day was your day.
Joe
Not a Glock Certified Armorer
User avatar
JoeH
 
Posts: 3687 [View]
Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:56 am
Location: 1911 JMB Drive

PreviousNext

Return to General Gun Chat

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests

cron