CCI primer problem ???????

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Re: CCI primer problem ???????

Postby westhope on Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:13 pm

Have you tried to put 2 fresh primers in your seating tool and seating the top one? One on top of the other.

Does that reproduce the shape of the seated primer in the photos. The extra primer will probably stay in your primer seating tool/station. Don't know what brand of press you are using, but with some models I have, the above would be possible.

What does the shape of your primer seating tool look like. The primer should be flat when seated. Not sure why the bulge is there. Even if the primer seating tool is concave, the primer should be mostly flat when seated because the press fit is on the OD of the primer.
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Re: CCI primer problem ???????

Postby JJ on Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:21 pm

Speculate all you want, this is the only correct answer. They are not plated, deformed, and appear to not have any priming compound in them.

JJ wrote:Those should be plated. Looks like they didn't make all the way thru the process for some reason. Never should have left the plant in that condition. Get your lot #'s of the carton and call CCI at 1-866-286-7436
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Re: CCI primer problem ???????

Postby gyrfalcon on Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:22 pm

timwarner wrote:fired primers look a lot like that if you try and seat a second primer on top of them. It won't stick and will fall into wherever primers go on your press.


That's a really good point!!! Larry have you unmounted your press and gone through the entire primer disposal bin? If you find a bunch of unburned primers, timwarner hit the nail on the head. You ran some brass through your press that still had primers in it.... Which should be impossible if your first station had a decapper???

JJ wrote:Speculate all you want, this is the only correct answer. They are not plated, deformed, and appear to not have any priming compound in them.


CCI cups are not plated, they're 100% steel... I'd take photos but I don't want to mess with macro photography at the moment. :mrgreen:
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Re: CCI primer problem ???????

Postby LarryFlew on Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:27 pm

gyrfalcon wrote:
timwarner wrote:fired primers look a lot like that if you try and seat a second primer on top of them. It won't stick and will fall into wherever primers go on your press.


That's a really good point!!! Larry have you unmounted your press and gone through the entire primer disposal bin? If you find a bunch of unburned primers, timwarner hit the nail on the head. You ran some brass through your press that still had primers in it.... Which should be impossible if your first station had a decapper???


As above:
"The brass was deprimed b4 tumbling and still went through the decapping resizing process so it isn't an old primer. Did 700 more since those and all are fine and from the same box of 1000 primers."


Since CCI isn't returning my calls I have given up. Not like I am looking for $$ or anything, just want to find out what happened. Guess since the rest of the 700 done are fine I'll just write it off to no help from the vendors!
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Re: CCI primer problem ???????

Postby gyrfalcon on Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:31 pm

LarryFlew wrote:"The brass was deprimed b4 tumbling and still went through the decapping resizing process so it isn't an old primer. Did 700 more since those and all are fine and from the same box of 1000 primers."


Hmm well you got me stumped... although if I was reloading I would have caught it sooner. ;) I'm always checking the primers to see if they seated well and didn't get rammed in sideways.
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Re: CCI primer problem ???????

Postby JJ on Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:45 pm

gyrfalcon wrote:CCI cups are not plated, they're 100% steel... I'd take photos but I don't want to mess with macro photography at the moment. :mrgreen:



You want to put your money where your mouth is on that one?
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Re: CCI primer problem ???????

Postby gyrfalcon on Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:02 pm

JJ wrote:You want to put your money where your mouth is on that one?


Actually not really... I cut apart one out of the box and it's actually a brass cup that's plated. :( Must have cut apart a different used primer the first time around. It seems weird to use brass, and then plate it with steel.
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Re: CCI primer problem ???????

Postby Pat Cannon on Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:03 pm

JJ wrote:
gyrfalcon wrote:CCI cups are not plated, they're 100% steel... I'd take photos but I don't want to mess with macro photography at the moment. :mrgreen:

You want to put your money where your mouth is on that one?

Not to ruin anybody's wagering, but the CCI small pistol magnum primers I have are silver colored on the outside, brass colored on the inside, and do not stick to a magnet. But they are magnum, so maybe the regular small pistol are different.

Edit to add: Oh I see you figured that out. :)
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Re: CCI primer problem ???????

Postby gyrfalcon on Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:05 pm

Nickel plated?
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Re: CCI primer problem ???????

Postby JJ on Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:07 pm

gyrfalcon wrote:Nickel plated?


We have a weiner!

ETA: but I only work for an ammunition company, what the hell would I know :roll:
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Re: CCI primer problem ???????

Postby gyrfalcon on Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:43 pm

JJ wrote:We have a weiner!
ETA: but I only work for an ammunition company, what the hell would I know :roll:


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Re: CCI primer problem ???????

Postby 1911fan on Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:45 pm

Larry, did you try to just fire a primed case? I got some euro primers a few years ago that looked like they were empty of compound, I primed 4 empty cases and all went bang, so I just figured they were just using a different color compound.

I have seen some primer that had funny marks on them and I traced it back to a build up of crap on the stud that seats the primer.
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Re: CCI primer problem ???????

Postby old guy on Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:35 pm

I have seen this before many years ago, did you have the decapping die in the press when you were primeing, maybe just backed off a few threads?

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Re: CCI primer problem ???????

Postby LarryFlew on Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:58 pm

old guy wrote:I have seen this before many years ago, did you have the decapping die in the press when you were primeing, maybe just backed off a few threads?

John


As above 4 times: AND as above 700 more where done after that with no problems.

"The brass was deprimed b4 tumbling and still went through the decapping resizing process so it isn't an old primer. Did 700 more since those and all are fine and from the same box of 1000 primers."
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Re: CCI primer problem ???????

Postby gyrfalcon on Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:00 pm

JJ is probably 100% correct and you got unplated primers.
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