WI State Fair attacks

[macphisto]

These incidents are just minor aberrations, coincidences, if you will, and are not indicative of any trends or a reflection on the culture of any one group.

+1

[traveler]

I thought I was slathering on the sarcasm with a trowel. I guess I better use a shovel next time.

[macphisto]

I was +1ing your sarcasm. I keep up just fine.

[xd ED]

These incidents are just minor aberrations, coincidences, if you will, and are not indicative of any trends or a reflection on the culture of any one group.

Thanks for that reassurance. I was beginning to get worried, but it's all OK now, I guess.


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[Dave Pendleton]

These incidents are just minor aberrations, coincidences, if you will, and are not indicative of any trends or a reflection on the culture of any one group.

I think you're wrong.

The "group" I'm thinking of is disenfranchised youth with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, with no concept of personal responsibility or consequences for their actions.

Wait until a few of them start posting stuff to their MySpace pages and Twitter about going to the State Fair to "**** some **** up" and you'll see the exact same thing happen. Especially since they will likely not get caught.

They may be punks, but they've all got cell phones.

[nyffman]

These incidents are just minor aberrations, coincidences, if you will, and are not indicative of any trends or a reflection on the culture of any one group.

I think you're wrong.

The "group" I'm thinking of is disenfranchised youth with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, with no concept of personal responsibility or consequences for their actions.

Wait until a few of them start posting stuff to their MySpace pages and Twitter about going to the State Fair to "**** some **** up" and you'll see the exact same thing happen. Especially since they will likely not get caught.

They may be punks, but they've all got cell phones.

I would agree, if in the definition of "disenfranchised", there is a qualifier for self infliction of this condition. The first problem is the high percentage of blacks being raised by single parents. http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/ac ... px?ind=107

Non-Hispanic White 24%
Black or African American 67%
American Indian 53%
Asian and Pacific Islander 16%
Hispanic or Latino 40%
Total 34%

Next, somewhere along the way, they then decided, in greater numbers than white students, but slightly higher than Hispanics, that graduating from high school wasn't worth the effort. There is some disagreement on the actual percentages, but I didn't find anyone suggesting that they have an equal or greater rate of graduation compared with white students.

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_baeo.htm
http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/book_grad_rates/
http://www.thegrio.com/specials/making- ... chools.php

There's plenty of blame to go around. Starting with the general attitude toward blacks, well, forever. But, for the most part, they had been fighting discrimination since the civil war ended and the 24th amendment was passed to, among other things, guarantee and formalize their status as citizens. LBJ's war on poverty, was well intentioned but esentially created a hammock which continues to support blacks in greater numbers relative to their percentage of the population than whites. IMO, they have also been terribly misled and dis-served by their current crop of leaders such as Rev. Al, and Jesse Jackson(both of them), Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, et al.
I agree fully with your assessment that the young blacks have "an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, with no concept of personal responsibility or consequences for their actions". I think, we're in for a long difficult process to undo all of this.

[traveler]

Wait, wait, wait!!!

Is someone here suggesting that mandatory free public education until age 16 doesn't work and all children are not educated equally? Is someone suggesting that busing children from poor areas to schools in more prosperous areas (and vice-versa) doesn't allow for equal opportunity? Might someone be suggesting that the War On Poverty and Lyndon Johnson's Great Society has not brought about equal prosperity?

Oh my! Then what do we make of the 13th, 14th, 15th and 24h Amendments to the Constitution of the United States? Did they not change the thinking, the very opinions, the core thoughts and beliefs, of white middle class Americans?

Would any of us dare consider these masterpieces of social engineering and wealth re-distribution as failures?

AFDC
Food Stamps
Supplemental Security Income
Lower income housing asst.
Earned Income Tax Credit
Stafford loans
Social Services (Title 20)
Pell Grants
Low-rent public housing
General medical assistance
Foster Care
School Lunch
General Assistance
Head Start
Food supplements,
Women, infants and children
Training for disadvantaged youth and adults
Low-income energy assistance
Rural housing loans
Indian Health Services
Summer youth employment
Maternal and child health
JOBS and WIN
Job Corps
Child care block grant
School Breakfast
Child care for AFDC
Housing interest reduction
Child and adult care food program
"At risk" child care

Why, all of these programs are specifically designed to foster independence and personal responsibility. There isn't a program in that list that doesn't require the recipients to work hard, to rise to the top (sorry, got carried away), to rise to the national average level of intelligence, income, and status, and to foster entrepreneurship.

Due to historical abominations that were perpetrated by people we are not related to, did not know, and to abolish it millions of people fought and over 600,000 lost their lives, some people deserve a helping hand up (plus the ladder involved, the vehicle to transport said people or persons to the site of said help, the nutrition involved - in the form of free food and meals, the medical help necessary to ensure good health to accept that helping hand, money to spend once that hand up is accepted and a fine rest period of a few decades is necessary - in the form of hard cash currency, and on and on).

[Dave Pendleton]

nyffman and traveler, good points both.

Getting back to my original point, I do think that the folks in charge of such things are going to learn a lesson from the Wisconsin State Fair and increase security accordingly at the Minnesota State Fair.

However, because of the WISF incident(s) and all the attention they have received, some folks are going to use the MNSF as an opportunity to do a little wilding.

Call me a cynic, but I do believe there is a certain segment of society that relishes stuff like this because they like the attention they get when they post cellphone video of it on YouTube.

Like this.

[traveler]

Dave, I couldn't agree more that events such as happened in Wisconsin (and Iowa, and Illinois, ad infinitum) could potentially happen at the Minnesota State Fair. Actually I believe there is a good chance of it happening. Remember some of the events at the old Taste of Minnesota when it was held on the Capitol grounds? The groups that tried to extort "parking fees", and those that out and out committed robbery (I believe they were all of the same general ethnic background, if memory serves), and those that committed assault?

But, should we give up and consider them a "lost generation"? Should we turn out backs on them and refuse any further help?

Wait a minute … hmmm. Just a minute longer …

Yes. YES! Give up on all of them. Lower the bar for felony charges for many of their "wilding" crimes. Get them off the street, put behind bars, and let them stay there for a very long time. Divert the funds used for entitlement programs to corrections and let the rest of us obtain some hard earned civility "entitlements".

[Dave Pendleton]

But, should we give up and consider them a "lost generation"? Should we turn out backs on them and refuse any further help?

They've given up on themselves, I'm afraid.

[Drizzle]

Don't be at the fair at closing time. Probably avoid a lot of the trouble by just following the 3 Stupids Rule.

Not to say that a young urban troubador won't find more trouble that he was looking for if he tries to knock me off my bike as I'm on the way home. But being six four two seventy does cut down on that sort of thing.

[nyffman]

Left is right, up is down, black is white, helping is hurting.

[traveler]

I apologize. Everything has been cured. It is fixed. Channel 11 has announced that inner city crime apparently is over. It was cured by the bleatings from a hand-held mike and a boom-box amplifier.

Why didn't we think of this sooner?

http://www.kare11.com/news/article/933231/396/Minneapolis-neighborhood-reclaims-infamous-corner

[12smile]

But, should we give up and consider them a "lost generation"? Should we turn out backs on them and refuse any further help?

Wait a minute … hmmm. Just a minute longer …

Yes. YES! Give up on all of them. Lower the bar for felony charges for many of their "wilding" crimes. Get them off the street, put behind bars, and let them stay there for a very long time. Divert the funds used for entitlement programs to corrections and let the rest of us obtain some hard earned civility "entitlements".

Warehousing criminals works: Build More Jails.

Reverend Jesse Jackson: "Day Care / Not Jail Care"

Sorry Homie, Been there done that.

I want to blame some white candy-ass liberal (RT Ryback comes to mind) for the crime wave in 13-17 yr old males.

The Stainless Steel letters on the 35w bridge memorial were stolen by scrappers HOURS after it was commemorated...Mayor Ryback was on TV saying...this is an isolated incident....no it's not...it's all in a day's work in the 4th Precinct, Stupid.

Keep Hope Alive

[nyffman]

The money quote at the end would seem to validate your post. "Haters make you greater."