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Re: Protecting his home from intruders: Is Estates man a hero or

Postby Heffay on Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:10 pm

ijosef wrote:I'd probably shoot too, but of course you won't know until it happens to you (which, hopefully, is never ever ever).

Perhaps people are more inclined to shoot nowadays since perpetrators don't always let you be after they get what they want. Think of the college student murdered in uptown - he gave up the wallet (as did the people he was with) and the subhuman shot him in the head anyway. There was that Hispanic couple in north Minneapolis that just finished a shift at McDonalds and were walking home. They were mugged by two subhumans, gave up their possessions, then were shot and killed while they walked away. There's a scumbag subhuman serving a life sentence for shooting a 19-year-old girl who worked at a convenience store. He robbed the place, she willingly gave him everything in the register, and he shot her anyways.


Nice anecdotes. However, you need to factor in a bunch of other things before you can figure out what the most likely case is for surviving.

What are the odds that giving up your possessions results in you living?
What are the odds of drawing your weapon results in you living? (sub-scenarios: criminal already has you/victim at gunpoint vs no guns out)

I believe in most cases if they have you/your family at gunpoint, drawing and shooting will result in a drastically lower chance of survival for you and your family. On the other hand, if they don't already have you at gunpoint, shooting first may end up making it more likely that you/your family survive.

I'm not sure how many people can see their wife with a gun to her head can actually get to the point where they pull their weapon and shoot. Yeah, it sounds all macho and Clint Eastwoodesque, but there are consequences to your actions, such as you shooting your wife and the criminal shooting you. Which is probably the most likely scenario.
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Re: Protecting his home from intruders: Is Estates man a hero or

Postby Scott Notaeh on Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:20 pm

Rev. Dead Corpse wrote:
“Myself, if someone was holding a gun to my wife’s head, I’d try to talk to them,” 68-year-old Holcomb said. “Nothing is worth someone’s life, just give them everything you’ve got.”


Poor man. Born without testicles or even a working sense of self preservation...


Perhaps he just does not like his wife.
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Re: Protecting his home from intruders: Is Estates man a hero or

Postby Heffay on Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:21 pm

Scott Notaeh wrote:
Rev. Dead Corpse wrote:
“Myself, if someone was holding a gun to my wife’s head, I’d try to talk to them,” 68-year-old Holcomb said. “Nothing is worth someone’s life, just give them everything you’ve got.”


Poor man. Born without testicles or even a working sense of self preservation...


Perhaps he just does not like his wife.


I'm glad somebody said it. ;)
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Re: Protecting his home from intruders: Is Estates man a hero or

Postby jgalt on Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:09 pm

Heffay wrote:
ijosef wrote:I'd probably shoot too, but of course you won't know until it happens to you (which, hopefully, is never ever ever).

Perhaps people are more inclined to shoot nowadays since perpetrators don't always let you be after they get what they want. Think of the college student murdered in uptown - he gave up the wallet (as did the people he was with) and the subhuman shot him in the head anyway. There was that Hispanic couple in north Minneapolis that just finished a shift at McDonalds and were walking home. They were mugged by two subhumans, gave up their possessions, then were shot and killed while they walked away. There's a scumbag subhuman serving a life sentence for shooting a 19-year-old girl who worked at a convenience store. He robbed the place, she willingly gave him everything in the register, and he shot her anyways.


Nice anecdotes. However, you need to factor in a bunch of other things before you can figure out what the most likely case is for surviving.

What are the odds that giving up your possessions results in you living?
What are the odds of drawing your weapon results in you living? (sub-scenarios: criminal already has you/victim at gunpoint vs no guns out)

I believe in most cases if they have you/your family at gunpoint, drawing and shooting will result in a drastically lower chance of survival for you and your family. On the other hand, if they don't already have you at gunpoint, shooting first may end up making it more likely that you/your family survive.

I'm not sure how many people can see their wife with a gun to her head can actually get to the point where they pull their weapon and shoot. Yeah, it sounds all macho and Clint Eastwoodesque, but there are consequences to your actions, such as you shooting your wife and the criminal shooting you. Which is probably the most likely scenario.


You can make your assumptions about what you believe is "most likely", and others will make theirs. And even if - God forbid - you or anyone else ever has the chance to put those assumptions to the test, that still won't tell you whether or not those assumptions were accurate. You'll merely find out what worked in that situation...

The fact that at least some here have already thought through different scenarios is a good thing, regardless their conclusions about what the "best" course of action will be in a given situation. All you're doing is determining ahead of time what you think you'll be able to live with after taking whatever action(s) you've pre-determined to be "best". To each their own, and here's hoping none of us will ever need to find out whether or not our decisions were "right".

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Re: Protecting his home from intruders: Is Estates man a hero or

Postby Heffay on Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:22 pm

I can accept that. If you talk to your wife and you both agree that taking the shot is worth it, more power to you!
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