Heather has been heard from again

[EAJuggalo]

Dear Supporter,

A U.S. House of Representatives has scheduled a hearing next Tuesday for a terrible bill to force all states to recognize the concealed carry permits of any other state, no matter how lax and dangerous its permitting process. Click here to sign the petition to Federal elected officials: Don't Gut Minnesota's Gun Laws!

For example, Florida has issued concealed carry permits to over 1,400 people guilty of felonies and over 200 people with outstanding arrest warrants. HR 822 would let these permit holders carry loaded guns in Minnesota. H.R. 822 would make gun trafficking easier, and Minnesota law enforcement would be faced with a dizzying array of easily-forged permits.

Click here to sign the petition to Federal elected officials: Don't Gut Minnesota's Gun Laws!

The gun lobby, always pushing for the financial interests of the gun industry, makes misleading arguments for this indefensible bill. Click here to read a column that pokes holes in the gun lobby's weak case. Then forward this to a friend!

Thank you for all you do,

Heather Martens

Executive Director, Protect Minnesota

http://www.protectmn.org

[mrp]

Dear Supporter,
HR 822 would let these permit holders carry loaded guns in Minnesota.

Well, as long as they're not "fully loaded", I don't see what the big deal is.

[DeanC]

Don't Gut Minnesota's Gun Laws!


Heather Martens

Executive Director, Protect Minnesota

http://www.protectmn.org

Is this an admission that MN gun laws aren't all that bad?

[nyffman]

Dean, I think you know better. She is afraid that they're going to flip the switch on the ratchet.

[ComradeBurg]

Considering the vast size of the anti-gun movement I'm sure this letter went out to all of three people, maybe even four.

[ranger2339]

I don't get people like this woman? She thinks that if some "felon" gets a permit to carry, then they will traffic guns and kill people? Wouldn't they just do that anyway, with or without the damn permit?

Has anybody that has a carry permit, ever murdered somebody, robed somebody or committed a violent crime with their weapon?

[Heffay]

I don't get people like this woman? She thinks that if some "felon" gets a permit to carry, then they will traffic guns and kill people? Wouldn't they just do that anyway, with or without the damn permit?

Has anybody that has a carry permit, ever murdered somebody, robed somebody or committed a violent crime with their weapon?

Yes. A guy shot a bouncer at Nyes.

[12smile]

I don't get people like this woman? She thinks that if some "felon" gets a permit to carry, then they will traffic guns and kill people? Wouldn't they just do that anyway, with or without the damn permit?

Has anybody that has a carry permit, ever murdered somebody, robed somebody or committed a violent crime with their weapon?

Yes. A guy shot a bouncer at Nyes.

That guy killed the bouncer and the whole event needs qualification.

The permit holder / shooter was tossed from the bar for being intoxicated and disorderly.

He was not carrying at the time.

He went home with friends who wanted him to sober up and go to sleep...instead permit holder / shooter w/ blood alcohol over 1.0 got his gun, carried it out to his car and returned to the bar to shoot the guy.

So he violated the provisions of his permit by carrying w/ blood alcohol over .04, drove while drunk.

Having the permit did not facilitate the crime.

It's the worst instance of permit holder behavior that we've seen.

But it needs to be mentioned that he violated the provisions of the permit and it in no way enabled the crime he committed.

[Heffay]

I don't get people like this woman? She thinks that if some "felon" gets a permit to carry, then they will traffic guns and kill people? Wouldn't they just do that anyway, with or without the damn permit?

Has anybody that has a carry permit, ever murdered somebody, robed somebody or committed a violent crime with their weapon?

Yes. A guy shot a bouncer at Nyes.

That guy killed the bouncer and the whole event needs qualification.

The permit holder / shooter was tossed from the bar for being intoxicated and disorderly.

He was not carrying at the time.

He went home with friends who wanted him to sober up and go to sleep...instead permit holder / shooter w/ blood alcohol over 1.0 got his gun, carried it out to his car and returned to the bar to shoot the guy.

So he violated the provisions of his permit by carrying w/ blood alcohol over .04, drove while drunk.

Having the permit did not facilitate the crime.

It's the worst instance of permit holder behavior that we've seen.

But it needs to be mentioned that he violated the provisions of the permit and it in no way enabled the crime he committed.

That's not what he asked.

[ranger2339]

I don't get people like this woman? She thinks that if some "felon" gets a permit to carry, then they will traffic guns and kill people? Wouldn't they just do that anyway, with or without the damn permit?

Has anybody that has a carry permit, ever murdered somebody, robed somebody or committed a violent crime with their weapon?

Yes. A guy shot a bouncer at Nyes.

Well that's not good.. I was just curious if a permit holder has murdered somebody with their weapon they carry..

[nyffman]

Obviously, it's "not good". But taken in view of the bigger picture, one incident, considering the number of folks who have been issued permits in the MCPPA's history is still statistically insignificant. We are still, by far, the safest, most law abiding group of people. That's why you don't even hear Heather and her merry band of hopolophobes touting the danger of permit holders.

[ranger2339]

But taken in view of the bigger picture, one incident, considering the number of folks who have been issued permits in the MCPPA's history is still statistically insignificant.

I was going to say something along those lines, but figured everybody here knew that.

[Heffay]

Obviously, it's "not good". But taken in view of the bigger picture, one incident, considering the number of folks who have been issued permits in the MCPPA's history is still statistically insignificant. We are still, by far, the safest, most law abiding group of people. That's why you don't even hear Heather and her merry band of hopolophobes touting the danger of permit holders.

I learned in class that a permit holder is 20 to 50 TIMES (not percent... TIMES) less likely to get a DWI, commit domestic abuse or commit a violent crime than the average person.

I'm not sure how accurate those numbers are, but they are useful to throw around.

[nyffman]

I learned in class that a permit holder is 20 to 50 TIMES (not percent... TIMES) less likely to get a DWI, commit domestic abuse or commit a violent crime than the average person.

I'm not sure how accurate those numbers are, but they are useful to throw around.

You are indeed a gentleman and a scholar. Permit holders are a highly scrutinized segment of the society. There are figures on how often permit holders spit on the sidewalk and/or emit flatulance in public.

[RobD]

I learned in class that a permit holder is 20 to 50 TIMES (not percent... TIMES) less likely to get a DWI, commit domestic abuse or commit a violent crime than the average person.

I'm not sure how accurate those numbers are, but they are useful to throw around.

And in Minnesota, a police officer is 9 times more likely to have is POST credentials revoked then a PTC holder is to get their permit revoked.