Class III info?

[Stradawhovious]

Might be a Stoopid question, so bear with me.....

I've been half heartedly researching class III information, and have largely come up empty handed.

Anyone have a good resource for what's involved in getting a class III and what it allows for?

Do you have to be an ffl? Does it only allow for the purchase and posesson of class III weapons, or would it allow for legal conversion as well?

I would like to look into it, but most of the links I see are glorified infomercials offering to get you to apply, not giving you a whole lot of info.

Any info would be appreciated!

[monschman]

straight question, straight answer. What do you want to do?

[Stradawhovious]

straight question, straight answer. What do you want to do?

I would like the option to own guns with giggle switches.

I would also like to avoid paying tens of thousands of dollars each for them.

I don't know if there is a license to be obtained, or if its just a tax stamp per weapon, or what.

[Holland&Holland]

I have no answers for you but I figure I better get in line now for your first range trip on this if you get it done!

[bstrawse]

straight question, straight answer. What do you want to do?

I would like the option to own guns with giggle switches.

I would also like to avoid paying tens of thousands of dollars each for them.

I don't know if there is a license to be obtained, or if its just a tax stamp per weapon, or what.

In MN, the only full auto weapons that you can own as a civilian will be those that are on the Curio & Relics list. You will need a C&R FFL and then must do the paperwork and pay the tax stamp per weapon.

The NFA forum on ar15.com may be helpful: http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_6/17_General_Class_3.html

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[Stradawhovious]

In MN, the only full auto weapons that you can own as a civilian will be those that are on the Curio & Relics list. You will need a C&R FFL and then must do the paperwork and pay the tax stamp per weapon.

The NFA forum on ar15.com may be helpful: http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_6/17_General_Class_3.html

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Good info. Disheartening, but good info.

Thanks!

[Bitter Bastard]

Might be a Stoopid question, so bear with me.....

I've been half heartedly researching class III information, and have largely come up empty handed.

Anyone have a good resource for what's involved in getting a class III and what it allows for?

Do you have to be an ffl? Does it only allow for the purchase and posesson of class III weapons, or would it allow for legal conversion as well?

I would like to look into it, but most of the links I see are glorified infomercials offering to get you to apply, not giving you a whole lot of info.

Any info would be appreciated!

Here's a good link to get you started: http://www.titleii.com/bardwell/nfa_faqhtml.html

In general, guns with fun switches made after 1986 are not allowed to be owned by citizens. Guns made before 1986 are still available, but since the gov't is mucking with supply and demand, prices for machine guns are rather expensive. Here in MN, the state where nothing is allowed, there are further regulations on machine guns. Minnesota only allows C&R machine guns, which are basically anything deemed historically significant (there is a list on ATF's web page somewhere) OR anything over 50 years old is automatically C&R. For instance, here in MN you can own a Colt 601 AR-15, which is one of the the first M-16 variants. You cannot, however, own an M-16 that someone made in 1985 by converting a semi-automatic Bushmaster AR-15. They are functionally identical and even parts compatible, but MN doesn't care. You can own an original WWII BAR machine gun but not a Group Industies Uzi made in 1980, for example.

In short, you as a private citizen, cannot convert any more guns into machine guns.

However, if you get licensed by the ATF, you can become a manfucturer and make "post sample" guns. Basically, you can make machine guns, or convert existing guns into machine guns, but you can only sell them to other FFL's, police, and military. "You" are not technically the owner, the business that holds the FFL owns these guns. You (the business, that is) can also transfer in post-86 machine guns from other licensees with the proper ATF paperwork.

That's the gist of it. There are obviously a lot of details but read through the link above and come back with more specific questions if necessary.

Good luck!

Oh, here's another good link for info on this:

http://subguns.com/boards/mgmsg.cgi

[monschman]

straight question, straight answer. What do you want to do?

I would like the option to own guns with giggle switches.

I would also like to avoid paying tens of thousands of dollars each for them.

I don't know if there is a license to be obtained, or if its just a tax stamp per weapon, or what.

OK, i thought you wanted to get a c&r license. They are real easy and cost $30, the other stuff I claim to know nothing about. Want to get a C&R though, I can get you all informed on that.

[Holland&Holland]

Just for the record, I am still first in line... Just saying.

[Stradawhovious]

OK, i thought you wanted to get a c&r license. They are real easy and cost $30, the other stuff I claim to know nothing about. Want to get a C&R though, I can get you all informed on that.

I'm thinking about getting the C&R anyways, but after looking at the information provided it doesn't seem that I will be able to afford a giggle switch sans a winning lottery ticket. Maybe I will get really lucky and fall into a Thompson or old M16 or something, but I'm not holding my breath.
[Sigh]

Oh well. Stands to reason. If it was easy and affordable 80% of the schlubs on this forum would be slinging lead at 600rpm every range trip.

[Stradawhovious]

Just for the record, I am still first in line... Just saying.

OK.... you bring the ammo.

[farmerj]

Reisings and some of the other subguns aren't too bad price wise.

Phorvick would be an excellent resource to tap for how to get this done.

[Holland&Holland]

Just for the record, I am still first in line... Just saying.

OK.... you bring the ammo.

Deal!

[photogpat]

Just for the record, I am still first in line... Just saying.

OK.... you bring the ammo.

I can bring some too -- shooting with the giggle switch on costs real folding type money!

[DeanC]

For a guy with a family, it seems the best option is to just rent one once in a while.