Permit holder kills mugger in S. Minneapolis!

[Fshirley]

I might have missed it...but is there any news on how the lady who got robbed is doing...got to be tough being in her position cause now she is dealing with the trauma of being attacked!

Wonder if she will get her permit?

[Paul]

The "citizen's arrest thing" would be way behond the scope of a carry class. It's usually unwise, even police off duty will usually not attempt it. It's easier if you have a squad car, a uniform, a vest and taser and other stuff includng handcuffs, a uniformed partner, and a dispatcher online, obviously. But of course it's LEGAL to arrest felons. But it works better on TV than on the street.

But it's also risky legally. You have to do everything correctly, and dispassionately or you are going to be protrayed as an angry vigilante. And of course, after the arrest, the arrestee gets a lawyer, who will probably trry to do exactly that. (To represent a guilty perp, a lawyer usually focuses on the conduct of the police and witnesses, and really DOWNPLAYS the conduof his client, for obvious reasons. )

Carry instructors will tell you to run away, if you can. There's no really good way to do a shootout. No dress rehearsals either. After it happens, the carry guys say call a lawyer to handle the matter, and just shut up. I'd bet this guy didn't even KNOW he was attempting a "citizen's arrest". But his lawyer would know the issue, and also the cops, although the cops might see "citizen's arrest" as some damn technicality that a defense attorney would put forth.

I think this is a "good shoot", although the shooter may not remember this as a good day for him......

Touching on the police - off duty comment..... In a deadly force situation, police are automatically assumed to be 'on duty' at the time of the incident. This is something we've recently had an opportunity to review and confirm with the state after two of my partners were shot at and took rounds to their car while downtown.

However, by statute, in non-deadly force situations, off duty police have no additional authority than that of a citizens arrest.

[JoeH]

Am I correct in that Good Sam placed his gun down somewhere (at the scene?) and then had to show police where he placed it? Am I the only one who finds this odd? I wonder why he didn't re-holster? Why would he lose control of his gun (if he in fact did)?

I'm not criticizing. I'm just trying to understand what happened and the tactics involved.

[traveler]

Am I correct in that Good Sam placed his gun down somewhere (at the scene?) and then had to show police where he placed it? Am I the only one who finds this odd? I wonder why he didn't re-holster? Why would he lose control of his gun (if he in fact did)?

I'm not criticizing. I'm just trying to understand what happened and the tactics involved.

Just speculation here, as are many of the posts here, but I would suspect that he wanted to be as far away from any firearm as possible when the Minneapolis police arrived. They might want to shoot first and ask if he was the perp afterwards.

[ricks8251]

I just finnished reading the entire post, all 13 pages. Damn. Good debate, I will also follow this story to see how it turns out. There are more than a few people on here that have shown their colors, some closet anti's here. To most of the others, I agree with you. When I read this the first day it was posted, I wondered about the citizens arrest angle. I also wonder about possible resulting case law?

Yah, closet antis? Is this one of those "you're either with us, or aginn us" moments?

No not all, sorry you think that. I just side up with many of the posts saying we sould wait for the full story before we declair this guy is guilty of a bad shoot. Picking his possible defence apart before both sides are in does no one any good, unless that is if you wanted to sway the disscussion of his guilt or innocense.

[Heffay]

I just finnished reading the entire post, all 13 pages. Damn. Good debate, I will also follow this story to see how it turns out. There are more than a few people on here that have shown their colors, some closet anti's here. To most of the others, I agree with you. When I read this the first day it was posted, I wondered about the citizens arrest angle. I also wonder about possible resulting case law?

Yah, closet antis? Is this one of those "you're either with us, or aginn us" moments?

No not all, sorry you think that. I just side up with many of the posts saying we sould wait for the full story before we declair this guy is guilty of a bad shoot. Picking his possible defence apart before both sides are in does no one any good, unless that is if you wanted to sway the disscussion of his guilt or innocense.

So anyone who can find some faults with the guys reported actions is a closet anti then?

I'm kind of curious as to who you think is a closet anti. And why.

[Motoman]

Touching on the police - off duty comment..... In a deadly force situation, police are automatically assumed to be 'on duty' at the time of the incident. This is something we've recently had an opportunity to review and confirm with the state after two of my partners were shot at and took rounds to their car while downtown.

However, by statute, in non-deadly force situations, off duty police have no additional authority than that of a citizens arrest.

That is partially correct. If the off duty officer is in their own jurisdiction, they have full police powers.

Out of jurisdiction, off duty = citizens arrest.

[Motoman]

Permit holder kills mugger in S. Minneapolis!

[tazdevil]

Am I correct in that Good Sam placed his gun down somewhere (at the scene?) and then had to show police where he placed it? Am I the only one who finds this odd? I wonder why he didn't re-holster? Why would he lose control of his gun (if he in fact did)?

I'm not criticizing. I'm just trying to understand what happened and the tactics involved.

Just speculation here, as are many of the posts here, but I would suspect that he wanted to be as far away from any firearm as possible when the Minneapolis police arrived. They might want to shoot first and ask if he was the perp afterwards.

In carry class I took, they said to either set gun on car and tell dispatcher that its there and your standing a few feet away, or reholster and tell dispatcher that, or finally if perp is on ground and still alive (either not shot or sitting there), keep your gun on him but be prepared to eat dirt for a minute when police show up until all is straightened out.

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Darren Evanovich National Day of Action

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Protest racist concealed carry gun laws, memorialize Darren Evanovich, protest police brutality and abuse of force, protest for the release of Octavia Marberry, and educate the public on Islam and Pan Africaism.

So now Minnesota's concealed carry laws are racist. Slavery being legal was racist, how is a permit to carry law racist? I am so confused by the logic...

At least it's only the conceal and carry law, not the carry law.

[Pezhead]

I'm really having trouble trying to figure out waht some of the posts actually mean.

[lenny7]

I'm really having trouble trying to figure out waht some of the posts actually mean.

I'm going to donate some punctuation to the cause.

[Heffay]

I'm really having trouble trying to figure out waht some of the posts actually mean.

Sound it out phonetically. That should help.

[plblark]

I'm down for a bushel or two of commas, periods, and exclamation points. The price on other punctuation is too high for me to part with my stash of them.

[photogpat]

I feel like its a text message conversation from hell...

[traveler]

… educate the public on Islam and Pan Africaism.

What might this "education" be consisted of? That thuggery, armed robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, et al, are all sanctioned by islam and pan "africaism"? Is it racist that there might be a disparity in that a convicted felon, or someone convicted of domestic violence, cannot obtain a permit to carry while law-abiding citizen are able?

It appears that there is a large segment, or at the very least a vocal segment, of this community that believes a slogan, or a rhyme, somehow becomes law? These people have no concept of what "justice" is, other than that they have somehow twisted it to something that allows them to do whatever they want with impunity, or immunity from the law.