Permit holder kills mugger in S. Minneapolis!

[Pinnacle]

Anyone think the police and or prosecutor didn't read it?

We know the police read it. Tman was here, wasn't he?

If you mean MPD, it is unlikely that they did. I am not aware of any MPD officers here. I find it doubtful they would go looking for our opinions on the subject. I don't know a ton of cops, so it may not be a representative sample, but most I have come across see themselves as an authority, especially on stuff like this, and don't give a whole lot of weight to what non-cops think.

Then again, I've been in that same neighborhood, sitting in a conference room at my work, listening to an MPD officer tell me that "civilians shouldn't even have guns" after a carjacking attempt.

And he got this way because he read MNGT? Or would not reading something on MNGT change his mind?

Love you man, but you are not correct. The MPD most certainly does read this as well as all of the other forums out there. The DA's office does also read these postings. That is 100% for sure...

You are right about the Police not giving a hang on what others think on the use of force... BUT they are looking for other aspects to make a case witnesses and informaiton.

Remember that there is time after the initial incident to press charges... At the time you are being interviewed, there are some questions or facts that may not come to mind and additional roads can be gone down later.

[farmerj]

[White Horseradish]

Love you man,

You're just so full of love lately, you're making me want to ask you for a recent pic to see if you started growing your hair out...

The MPD most certainly does read this as well as all of the other forums out there. The DA's office does also read these postings. That is 100% for sure...

Whatever for? The off chance someone connected with the case posts? Or just to keep an eye on the extremists hereabouts?

You are right about the Police not giving a hang on what others think on the use of force...

I'ma gonna gold plate this one and hang it on the wall.

BUT they are looking for other aspects to make a case witnesses and informaiton.

So, what are they going to get out of a thread where a bunch of people who clearly are not in any way connected to the case (and often not even identifiable without some digging) are just exchanging opinions?

[goalie]

This is a discussion forum, that has a theme centralized around firearms, its even called Minnesota Gun Talk. If you dont want to talk about current gun related events I would suggest joining another forum.

There is no harm in forming an opinion about a current event, hell that's what the news company's do right?

This one actually might have a less-public area that would have been more appropriate. Thanks for the directions to the door though.

Adios

[Squib Joe]

The MPD most certainly does read this as well as all of the other forums out there. The DA's office does also read these postings. That is 100% for sure...

No, I don't think so. I've spent a lot of time in the Homicide/Robbery offices and things are a little too busy up there for them to care what crackpots like us have to say about the cases. If a detective or county attorney should happen to have read any of these posts I would be very surprised.

[traveler]

It is not a matter of people liking or not liking discussion, it is a time and a place issue.

That might work when the issue is the unplanned pregnancy of a 13-year-old daughter during a holiday meal with all the relatives present. This is a firearms and personal protection forum. The situation that happened in Minneapolis is precisely why we have carry permits. No matter what a person's view on the situation is, it is cathartic to express them here.

when someones life is hanging in the balance

The drama was not ever at that level for anyone, except the deceased.

not an opposition to free and open discussion, just a measure of prudence.

Regulating the time and place for speech is, indeed, censorship of that speech. Again, if you do not wish to discuss it, fine.

removing someones right to remain silent,

I have tried mightily to understand this. Obviously I have an undeveloped ability to understand this. I do not see how what I might state could take away anyone else's right to remain silent. There have been times during a heated domestic argument that I have been quite vocal and still my wife has the uncanny ability to remain silent. Totally silent. Scathingly silent.

(Trust me, you can be charged for the statements of OTHERS)

If I take it you mean that one of us would become a witness, and give sworn testimony, yes, that might go against the shooter. Possibly you are mixing up self-incrimination with accusations. There is a small difference between the two. A few degrees possibly. However, we are not witnesses. It appears that the only real witness would be the sister of the deceased. Have you contacted her as well and advised her that she should not discuss this until everything is settled, or is it just the various members of firearms forums that you wish to muzzle?

If it were I in that same situation, I would hope that people that were not there would reserve comment on a situation until the legal system ran its course and I were declared a free person. Some of us just want to remind others about common sense.

If you, God forbid, would be in a similar situation, your wishes about everyone refraining from comment will not be realized. You will be talked about. News is news. You are tilting at windmills here. In one previous notable situation, where a permit holder happened to challenge the authorities over a minor matter of carrying a firearm in what was designated a prohibited place, it was the PRINCIPAL party that was advised to shut up. No one else received any such admonishment. In that case the principal party probably would have discussed his case, or situation, and rapidly dug his hole much deeper had he not been advised to shut up.

I suspect that if you, and others that are vocal in support of your attempts to stifle free exchange of ideas and news, took your own advice and remained silent, it might go better for all of us.

[goett047]

People you have the option to choose not to post in this thread, if you don't like the discussion DON'T discuss with us. Saying we shouldn't be discussing this makes you a hypocrite because you are in fact discussing it

[Dick Unger]

Pinnacle, I understand what you are saying about "time and place". Discussion does in fact put sme unforseen pressure on both the prosecution and the defense. (That's exactly why they, having a personal stake in the matter, don't provide us with all the facts. And that's good, for THEM.)

But the rest of us actually SHOULD put on the pressure to get things resolved in the daylight, even if it hurts one side or the other. WE are the ones with no dog in the fight, except we hope that fairness prevails. I've done these kind of things for a long time, and all too often it's kind of a railroad by the prosecution, either to crush someone or coverup for a friend. It's public interest which minimizes the opportunity for this kind of thing.

I understand all the parties will tell you "Don't rush to judgement", and that's fine and in their interest, but it's NOT in fact the way we should react. Don't fall for that stuff. Instead, press for complete disclosure and a quick resolution. If we're initialy wrong that's fine. But we need to be bird dogging every time, not blissfully waiting for our authorites to get it right and tell us how to think.

[Pinnacle]

People you have the option to choose not to post in this thread, if you don't like the discussion DON'T discuss with us. Saying we shouldn't be discussing this makes you a hypocrite because you are in fact discussing it

Only after no charges.

You guys are so stuck on the disinfectant of light bullcrap JR used to preach you miss the point.

[Pinnacle]

This is a discussion forum, that has a theme centralized around firearms, its even called Minnesota Gun Talk. If you dont want to talk about current gun related events I would suggest joining another forum.

There is no harm in forming an opinion about a current event, hell that's what the news company's do right?

This one actually might have a less-public area that would have been more appropriate. Thanks for the directions to the door though.

Adios

And on that note. again you all fail to get the point.
L8r


I'm done.

[Dick Unger]

I get the point. Your point has merit. But the public interest in public discusssion overides any benefit to not discussing the matter, my opinion. Our decision makers need to know we're watching or our system of government will not work. The people must not surrender their power, ever.

[BuckKlier]

So, if there are pictures of the mother passing stolen checks, from one of the roberies whay hasn't she bin picked up?

[traveler]

Only after no charges.

You guys are so stuck on the disinfectant of light bullcrap JR used to preach you miss the point.

I do not believe anyone at this forum is stuck on anything that Mr. Rosenberg used to preach. Quite the contrary.

I do believe, however, in that "Truth, justice, and the American way." line.

[traveler]

So, if there are pictures of the mother passing stolen checks, from one of the roberies whay hasn't she bin picked up?

Time, my friend, time.

The Minneapolis Police Department is waiting for this issue to be thoroughly aired out in MNGunTalk.com before they take action — or at least that is what I have been preached to about.

[goett047]

Yeah we could well decide she's innocent and then they wouldn't need to pick her up cuz the county prosecutor wouldn't file charges