Wisconsin Police Officer Shoots Self In Foot

[tman]

I just don't think one accident with no backup history is enough to call it negligence according to your definition. I think the cop simply fired his weapon in error. That to me is accidental.

We like to say, "unintentional."

[farmerj]

adj.
1. Characterized by or inclined to neglect, especially habitually.
2. Characterized by careless ease or informality; casual.
3. Law Guilty of negligence.

Sorry, I see no evidence of any items in the definition you supplied. The story only mentions while retrieving his weapon he pulled the trigger while he was getting out of the car, in a tense situation. I don't think there is anything else, unless I missed something, or there is furthur information in another article I didn't read.

For the above meaning to apply here, it would have to be known the officer routinely lets his finger drift into the trigger guard, espeically while retrieving it from his holster. And to make it even more plain, it would be helpful if he had a history of unintentially firing his weapon. Perhaps he's had additional training to relieve this problem and failed his class? But I don't see any of that. Just a single incident in a tense situation.

I just don't think one accident with no backup history is enough to call it negligence according to your definition. I think the cop simply fired his weapon in error. That to me is accidental.

Seems to meet definition 2 quite well to me.

[goett047]

I just don't think one accident with no backup history is enough to call it negligence according to your definition. I think the cop simply fired his weapon in error. That to me is accidental.

We like to say, "unintentional."

I concur

[goett047]

adj.
1. Characterized by or inclined to neglect, especially habitually.
2. Characterized by careless ease or informality; casual.
3. Law Guilty of negligence.

Seems to meet definition 2 quite well to me.

I fail to see how being in a tense situation gives way to careless ease or informality. Mistakes happen especially under stress.

[SleepingJake]

Dumb bastard. Guess he wasnt professional enough.

Right. When bullets start zinging past you I want you to tell me how your mind and body react and how difficult it is to put the two together.

[farmerj]

Dumb bastard. Guess he wasnt professional enough.

Right. When bullets start zinging past you I want you to tell me how your mind and body react and how difficult it is to put the two together.

And you wonder why you have a SSG standing over you harping on you to do things in a certain way for no apparent reason.

You ride around in my vehicle with your booger hook on the bang switch, you'll get a kevlar upside your head.

It is TOTALLY avoidable. You body goes back to your lowest level of training. And if that training is to keep your booger hook where it shouldn't be, bad **** happens.

[SleepingJake]

Dumb bastard. Guess he wasnt professional enough.

Right. When bullets start zinging past you I want you to tell me how your mind and body react and how difficult it is to put the two together.

And you wonder why you have a SSG standing over you harping on you to do things in a certain way for no apparent reason.

You ride around in my vehicle with your booger hook on the bang switch, you'll get a kevlar upside your head.

It is TOTALLY avoidable. You body goes back to your lowest level of training. And if that training is to keep your booger hook where it shouldn't be, bad **** happens.

Woah, the first `1/2 sentences freaked me out, I thought I had just met my E6 on the forum.

A few deep breaths to calm yourself down and you get a bit of training back.

[farmerj]

those first few breaths is all it takes for friendly fire.

31B30 RETIRED

[SleepingJake]

those first few breaths is all it takes for friendly fire.

31B30 RETIRED

I honestly didn't understand either of those..

[farmerj]

Woah, the first `1/2 sentences freaked me out, I thought I had just met my E6 on the forum.

A few deep breaths to calm yourself down and you get a bit of training back.

Those first few breaths to calm you down and wait for your training to get back in is enough to put a bullet in your buddies back. You don't have that luxury as much as you would like to think.

31B - Military police.
30 - SSG
Retired - I retired from the army.

[SleepingJake]

Woah, the first `1/2 sentences freaked me out, I thought I had just met my E6 on the forum.

A few deep breaths to calm yourself down and you get a bit of training back.

Those first few breaths to calm you down and wait for your training to get back in is enough to put a bullet in your buddies back. You don't have that luxury as much as you would like to think.

31B - Military police.
30 - SSG
Retired - I retired from the army.

I never said there was any waiting involved.

I've never heard of "30" being used as a rank identifier, SSG and E-6 is what's used now. I'm definitely not calling you an old man, much respect Staff Sergeant. If you don't mind me asking, when did you retire?

[farmerj]

I retired in Dec 2008.

My last duty assignment was with the ND Army National Guard in an MP unit. I was also the unit marksmanship coordinator along with other fun duties.

I was able to finally get the CO and 1SG to agree to have the unit walking around with a blank in the chamber unless they were in the chow hall or the front office. Otherwise it was like they were outside the wire. Loaded round in the chamber.

We had a bet on who would be the first to have a ND. The one who made a habit of putting his finger on the trigger and wouldn't mind that rule was pegged out of the unit. He lasted all of 3 hours.

Poor weapons handling skills is taught. Don't get complacent. Incidents like this is the result.

As to the 30.

10 is enlisted up to E4
20 is E5
30 is E6
40 is E7-E8
50 is E9.

If you look at your MOS listing, you are most likely going to see MOS then a 10.

IE - 31B30 is a SSG MP. 63T30 or 63M30 is a Bradley mechanic SSG. A lot of the MOS' were changing designators when I retired.

[SleepingJake]

I retired in Dec 2008.

My last duty assignment was with the ND Army National Guard in an MP unit. I was also the unit marksmanship coordinator along with other fun duties.

I was able to finally get the CO and 1SG to agree to have the unit walking around with a blank in the chamber unless they were in the chow hall or the front office. Otherwise it was like they were outside the wire. Loaded round in the chamber.

We had a bet on who would be the first to have a ND. The one who made a habit of putting his finger on the trigger and wouldn't mind that rule was pegged out of the unit. He lasted all of 3 hours.

Poor weapons handling skills is taught. Don't get complacent. Incidents like this is the result.

As to the 30.

10 is enlisted up to E4
20 is E5
30 is E6
40 is E7-E8
50 is E9.

If you look at your MOS listing, you are most likely going to see MOS then a 10.

IE - 31B30 is a SSG MP. 63T30 or 63M30 is a Bradley mechanic SSG. A lot of the MOS' were changing designators when I retired.

Walking around with a blank in the chamber is an excellent idea, our CO is a twit though and would never allow it. 99.9% of my company would be fine, it'd be the ones that have no common sense and don't listen that would have an ND.

Just dug through my paperwork pocket, after a little looking it appears that they dropped the 0 off the end. 25U1

[FredsBank]

So are you guys saying any unintential discharge "negligent"?

[farmerj]

So are you guys saying any unintential discharge "negligent"?

obviously the nut behind the grip did something with the booger hook on the bang switch he shouldn't have.