sealed mindest

[tman]

I am confused as to why as a community we would not want to promote solid training or local firearms based small businesses.

I can answer this query.


We eat our own here.

No, I'm not kidding.

[Larry.Y]

Class 222, graduated in the spring of 1999.

I was one of the 11 that graduated from the original 121.

[Larry.Y]

I am confused as to why as a community we would not want to promote solid training or local firearms based small businesses.

I can answer this query.


We eat our own here.

No, I'm not kidding.

I am starting to see that.

[mrp]

I have given a great deal of blood for this country and take offense to the accusation that I or anyone in my employ would be dishonest.

Larry,

It was dishonest for Token246 to use "they" rather than "we" when referring to Sealed Mindset.

I can only assume from your response that you do not understand the significance of the fact that huntingmn99, Token246, and yourself all posted from the same IP address.

I'm happy to thank you for your service, but will not assume that that service makes you better or worse than anyone else, nor immune from hiring people with bad judgment. You, and/or one or more of your employees is astroturfing. That does not reflect well on your organization. Do not assume that huntingmn99's negative comment is meant to hurt your business. If that anonymous post results in positive rebuttals from known members (not to mention the positive post from your employee) then it has served its purpose.

I've no reason to think you condone what's happening here and I expect you'll fix things once you figure out what is going on.

[Larry.Y]

What is astroturfing?

I immediately claimed responsibility for Token246 as that is the only person within my company of which I have any knowledge of having participated in this conversation.

I have actively begun the search for this other mystery poster. We have a shared network here with over 50 employees between the two companies of which I employ 3 full time.

Token246 is our shared admin person that has no hand in training other than processing requests.

They are not part of my training staff and thier use of 'they' instead of 'we' is in reference to that fact.

[tman]

(And the first course has been served.)


We're a bunch of glass half-empty people around here. Plus, this is the internet, so it is assumed that everyone is lying about something.

My advice is to not spend too much time trying to explain. It is what it is, and it's everyone else's problem; not yours.

Welcome aboard, sir, and thank you for your service and sacrifice.


This place has always been tough for newcomers. I avoided this forum for a couple of years, maybe, til I was ready to dive in.

[Snowgun]

(And the first course has been served.)


We're a bunch of glass half-empty people around here. Plus, this is the internet, so it is assumed that everyone is lying about something.

My advice is to not spend too much time trying to explain. It is what it is, and it's everyone else's problem; not yours.

Welcome aboard, sir, and thank you for your service and sacrifice.


This place has always been tough for newcomers. I avoided this forum for a couple of years, maybe, til I was ready to dive in.

Are you posting from that IP address now Tman?

The issue here is that this thread looks SO classically like astroturfing that its not even funny. And that is BEFORE you throw in the fact that everyone had the same IP address. You'll have to excuse those of us who are skeptical since seen this done hundreds of times, and personally I've never seen one be "accidental" with the smoking IP gun we have here. Not to say your's isn't, but something is going on.

What is really happening over there is honestly now your problem to solve and I wish you luck in rectifying it, but honestly you've gotten off lightly as things go. Despite tman's whining we are a pretty tolerant board. If this would have happened anywhere else the results would have been much worse (like the name of your company dragged in the gutter, ridiculed, and your IP permanently blocked with you not able to explain what happened).

This board has heard of Sealed Mindset before, and I believe there was a poster who was an employee who greatly contributed to many conversations in the past, but I've not seen him around. Also, I don't think there are any rules against posting about any of the great courses you are offering (since you are a local business), as long as it's done in a friendly, straightforward way (all the other instructors do it on this site).

I would suggest starting a fresh thread showcasing what you offer, links, pics, etc. I for one would like to know more.

[Paul]

I believe you're thinking of Dusty. From my understanding he is no longer with the company. I heard he moved out of state, but I could be wrong about that part.

[Paul]

Larry,

I'll take a minute to respond to a couple of things that have been posted here.

I am not trying to disparage your company in any way. As I'm sure you noticed in my first post of this thread, while I don't have any first hand experience with your company, I think very highly of one of your instructors.

My only reason for commenting further than that was due to the suspicious nature of the matching IP addresses from the three accounts, yours, Token246 and huntingmn99. As you probably know from our forum rules, multiple accounts are not allowed. But it appears that you are looking into that.

In regards to Token246, you posted the following:

Token246 is an employee who responded to this thread after it was forwarded by one of our clients.

The reply just provided clarification and did not solicit any business.

Token246 then brought this matter to my attention so that I could address it.

And this regarding huntingmn99:

huntingmn99's comments are not beneficial to our business. I have sent a private message asking them to clarify their identity, as I have no idea who they are.

I have actively begun the search for this other mystery poster. We have a shared network here with over 50 employees between the two companies of which I employ 3 full time.

Have you found out who this is?

When responding to the suggestion that by another poster that this was potentially someone within your organization you posted the following.

I have lived a life dedicated to Honor, Courage, and Commitment.

I have given a great deal of blood for this country and take offense to the accusation that I or anyone in my employ would be dishonest.

I have all the appreciation and respect in the world for folks such as yourself who have served our country. Thank you for your service and the apparent physical sacrifices you have made for our freedom. But, please don't sully that honor with shenanigans while trying to lend credibility to yourself on the internet.

Moving on.

In response to this post:

It was dishonest for Token246 to use "they" rather than "we" when referring to Sealed Mindset.

You replied:

I immediately claimed responsibility for Token246 as that is the only person within my company of which I have any knowledge of having participated in this conversation.

...

Token246 is our shared admin person that has no hand in training other than processing requests.

They are not part of my training staff and thier use of 'they' instead of 'we' is in reference to that fact.

While I am not a Navy Seal, I do like to consider myself a Junior Internet Sleuth. From what I have gathered, partially based on the registration name on the e-mail, Token246 is your wife and Vice President of Sealed Mindset.

If that's the case, I feel it's a bit disingenuous to claim that she is simply an office staff member and not part of 'the team'. I'm sure the Vice President of Target doesn't stock the shelves on the overnight crew, but I would imagine that they consider themselves an employee (part of the team) and wouldn't rely on a technicality as to their involvement with the company in a similar setting.

Regardless, I don't know if she has any involvement in the day to day training of your students, but her profile, as found on your website, states the following.

http://www.sealedmindset.com/about-us

With her knowledge of the security industry and unique perspective on the security needs of women, Ms. Yatch brings a trusted female perspective to the Sealed Mindset Team.

That would lead me to believe that she has more involvement than a shared office staff member.

Anyway... My point in all of this is that we're not dumb here. You may see some of your above statements as different shades of the truth, but unfortunately some stuff is lost in interpretation and comes across as only black and white.

Finally...

If you look at my history with this forum I have never posted an advertisement.

I have solely used it to read the community's opinions to stay current.

You really have no history with this forum, which is part of the problem. In fact, prior to yesterday, you had never posted here and it was well over a year since you last logged in.

Moving forward, I hope you do stick around and contribute on a regularly basis. I'm sure you have a lot of useful information and a unique perspective. Also feel free to advertise your classes, that's allowed on our forum. I'm interested in what you have to offer and am always open to learning something new.

- Paul

[Paul]

What is really happening over there is honestly now your problem to solve and I wish you luck in rectifying it, but honestly you've gotten off lightly as things go. Despite tman's whining we are a pretty tolerant board. If this would have happened anywhere else the results would have been much worse (like the name of your company dragged in the gutter, ridiculed, and your IP permanently blocked with you not able to explain what happened).

+1

People have sent PM's suggesting that we should have just banned all three accounts... But that doesn't clear anything up.

[Scott Notaeh]

It is too bad that this went south. I heard Larry recently on Armed American Radio when Mr. Emerson was doing some knife training. It was an interesting discussion. I even went so far as to try to google the company to check out the classes but from the radio I thought they were saying, "Seal Mindset" and so I never found it. Least I now know where it is.

[minnesotatv]

It is too bad that this went south.

Big +1

Personally, I hope you'll post your training schedule.

[Stradawhovious]

It is too bad that this went south.

Big +1

I'm not sure anything has gone south at this point, a few people are just leery of the situation as it appears to be, and want some (much needed) clarification.

In the event that this is astroturfing, shame on them. If not, then I'm sure there will be a very logical explaination to set this straight.

I'm going to deploy the Dean C mentality on this one.

:waits to see how this all pans out:

[Token246]

While I am not a Navy Seal, I do like to consider myself a Junior Internet Sleuth. From what I have gathered, partially based on the registration name on the e-mail, Token246 is your wife and Vice President of Sealed Mindset.

If that's the case, I feel it's a bit disingenuous to claim that she is simply an office staff member and not part of 'the team'. I'm sure the Vice President of Target doesn't stock the shelves on the overnight crew, but I would imagine that they consider themselves an employee (part of the team) and wouldn't rely on a technicality as to their involvement with the company in a similar setting.

Regardless, I don't know if she has any involvement in the day to day training of your students, but her profile, as found on your website, states the following.

http://www.sealedmindset.com/about-us

With her knowledge of the security industry and unique perspective on the security needs of women, Ms. Yatch brings a trusted female perspective to the Sealed Mindset Team.

- Paul

Hi Paul and MN Gun Talk Guys!

My name is Anne Yatch, yes I am Larry's wife and first I have to apologize because I have never posted in a forum before. I was told by a client that someone in this forum was requesting information about the range and trainers of Sealed Mindset, so I tried my best to answer the question that I noticed in the forum. I am not one of the handgun trainers. My direct role is in the corporate web-based educational side of our company. I'm sorry that everyone here is fixated on my misuse of "they" instead of "we," but since I'm not an firearms trainer, I always refer to the instructors as "they."

Paul - both Larry and I would love if you would put your "Junior Internet Sleuthing" abilities to work for us to find out the identity of Huntingmn99. That way we could all prove that this person is not a member of our team and is most likely, as we suspect, one of the many contract employees that work for Range Systems, over which we exert no control.

As Larry previously stated, we have attempted to contact him through the forum, with no success.

Everyone in this forum is more than welcome to give me a call at any time to get to know me personally. Thanks guys and have a great night!

[Paul]

Hi Paul and MN Gun Talk Guys!

My name is Anne Yatch, yes I am Larry's wife and first I have to apologize because I have never posted in a forum before. I was told by a client that someone in this forum was requesting information about the range and trainers of Sealed Mindset, so I tried my best to answer the question that I noticed in the forum. I am not one of the handgun trainers. My direct role is in the corporate web-based educational side of our company. I'm sorry that everyone here is fixated on my misuse of "they" instead of "we," but since I'm not an firearms trainer, I always refer to the instructors as "they."

Paul - both Larry and I would love if you would put your "Junior Internet Sleuthing" abilities to work for us to find out the identity of Huntingmn99. That way we could all prove that this person is not a member of our team and is most likely, as we suspect, one of the many contract employees that work for Range Systems, over which we exert no control.

As Larry previously stated, we have attempted to contact him through the forum, with no success.

Everyone in this forum is more than welcome to give me a call at any time to get to know me personally. Thanks guys and have a great night!

Anne,

Welcome to the forum and thanks for the reply.

Yes... Due to my superior internet sleuthing abilities, I do know who huntingmn99 is... And yes, it is an employee of Range Systems, someone you both seem to know. From what I gather your company works out of their offices. Obviously this person was trying to drum up some attention for you guys. It is what it is. You can handle it however you like.

I'll send you and Larry the info via e-mail if you would like.

Again, welcome to both of you, hopefully you two decide to stick around and contribute to our local community.


- Paul