Remington Green box over pressure

[wrench]

Sam, you don't get out enough. Cabela's (maybe among others?) has been selling Herter's branded ammo for some time now. It is steel cased, looks like Wolf to me. I've never tried it, but I see it around pretty frequently.

[westhope]

Wolf is now loading Herter's ammo.

[Seismic Sam]

Well, that explains it. Thank you Wrench, and no, "I don't get around much anymore"....

For those of you too young to remember it, Herter's was essentially the Brownell's catalog of 40 years ago, but even bigger!! It was like an early 1900's Sears and Roebuck catalog where you could buy an entire house (in parts) and put it together. The original Herter's went belly up about the time I got into reloading 40 years ago. Here's the story, and thus my confusion about the ammo. Obviously, the name passed into public domain, and some former Kommie bloc country is trying to make money off it.

http://neveryetmelted.com/categories/herters-catalogue/

[OldmanFCSA]

Sam,
Sorry to say - several companies are buying the steel cased ammo from pre-Soviet countries and are re-labeling it now under their original names.
I don't like it - but business is business to the un-informed.
Herter's is one of the companies.

[Seismic Sam]

I can't imagine the Herter's of today has anything to do with the original company. Somebody just bought the name to make an easy buck with Kommie Krap.

[tim]

Well, that explains it. Thank you Wrench, and no, "I don't get around much anymore"....

For those of you too young to remember it, Herter's was essentially the Brownell's catalog of 40 years ago, but even bigger!! It was like an early 1900's Sears and Roebuck catalog where you could buy an entire house (in parts) and put it together. The original Herter's went belly up about the time I got into reloading 40 years ago. Here's the story, and thus my confusion about the ammo. Obviously, the name passed into public domain, and some former Kommie bloc country is trying to make money off it.

http://neveryetmelted.com/categories/herters-catalogue/

A highschool friend had a Herters snowmobile and I always wondered about it. Didn't realize the company was out of Waseca and didn't realize how big it was. Crazy how it just shut down and was never really heard of anymore.

Thanks for the link.

[westhope]

I live about 15 miles southeast of the original Waseca Herter's store. Grew up north of Waseca, so I'm very familar with Herter's products. Everything was "Professional Guide Quality".

I still use a Herter's "O" frame press in reloading. It is probably the most rigid single stage press out there, which I need when forming 401 WSL cases from 303 British. The press is damn heavy though, as was most of the Herter's products. A lot of people around here collect old Herter's snowmobiles.

[tim]

I live about 15 miles southeast of the original Waseca Herter's store. Grew up north of Waseca, so I'm very familar with Herter's products. Everything was "Professional Guide Quality".

I still use a Herter's "O" frame press in reloading. It is probably the most rigid single stage press out there, which I need when forming 401 WSL cases from 303 British. The press is damn heavy though, as was most of the Herter's products. A lot of people around here collect old Herter's snowmobiles.

I'm not old enough to remember the products or the store but I know the area very well as I grew up in Owatonna and knew many people in rural Owatonna and Waseca. I used to work for a machine shop out of owatonna on Lemond Rd.

[OldmanFCSA]

I have one of those Herter's presses, love it for its strength. I use it to resize 50 BMG projectiles to the roundness and diameter I desire.

Herter's also had U9 and J9 Model rifles made by Huskavarna (sp?) of Sweden.
I had the J9 model in 243WIN with a 26 inch barrel.
It was VERY accurate.
After my ownership, it was destroyed after being used in a Federal Crime by a 16 yr old in Idaho.

I wish I had one of the Herter's Christmas catalogs I used to drool over as a kid.

I had heard from a good source that Herter's downfall was related to providing sub-rate ammo to the US Gov for use in VietNam while under contract. Have not been able to verify it.

[Seismic Sam]

Frankly, I'll buy the story in the article that the demise was caused by exotic endangered species bird feathers that Herter bought legally years before, and then some EFFEN A-holes from the Governemt came in and ran roughshod over him. For a fiercely independent self-made man like Herter, that could have been the last straw.

[FJ540]

I got a case of 9mm herters at cabelas on sale about a year ago as plinking ammo. It goes bang every time, and isn't obscenely dirty.

I did relocate the box for the Remington's, and it's mostly full. I must've had the Mrs shooting WWB when we went to the range. I'll be running it through a couple other guns to see how they work with it.

After further review, I agree with you guys that these are not over pressured, but there's something else happening. Could be under powered and not being held against the breech face, since the primers aren't flattened out like I'd expect of a good load. I've got some other ammo I'll run through the gun next weekend and see what happens.

[MisterOblivious]

Sam,
Sorry to say - several companies are buying the steel cased ammo from pre-Soviet countries and are re-labeling it now under their original names.

That's all Wolf is. They buy ammo from a bunch of different sources, slap their label on it and sell it in America. There are pretty big differences between their "Gold" (brass cased/reloadable) ammo, the normal steel stuff we normally think of and the really, really, nice .22 ammo (made by SK in Germany IIRC).

If you happen to spot the .22 in a store grab a few boxes and see if your rifles like it. It's really high end stuff and the Wolf name doesn't do it justice. It's a bit cheaper than CCI green tag and the comparable Eley loadings.

[45Badger]

I can't imagine the Herter's of today has anything to do with the original company. Somebody just bought the name to make an easy buck with Kommie Krap.

Welcome to Capitalism, Komrade We seem to have taught them well.

[Seismic Sam]

I got a case of 9mm herters at cabelas on sale about a year ago as plinking ammo. It goes bang every time, and isn't obscenely dirty.

I did relocate the box for the Remington's, and it's mostly full. I must've had the Mrs shooting WWB when we went to the range. I'll be running it through a couple other guns to see how they work with it.

After further review, I agree with you guys that these are not over pressured, but there's something else happening. Could be under powered and not being held against the breech face, since the primers aren't flattened out like I'd expect of a good load. I've got some other ammo I'll run through the gun next weekend and see what happens.

The other thing to look at is the recoil spring. The loads may not be weak (and I've never seen weak loads do that to primers), but if the barrel is not being held against the breechface tight enough, the gun will start to cycle while the pressure is still up, and then the primers can do funny things. I SERIOUSLY doubt that the primer is not being held against the breecface because it's a weak load. Unless you have a serious headspace problem with the gun, when the slide locks up the case shouldn't have much if any wiggle room inside the barrel.

[westhope]

I used to work for a machine shop out of owatonna on Lemond Rd.

Dagre Tool. Drive by it every time I go into Owatonna. I live 5 miles west of Hope (westhope).