CLEO Requirement to be Discontinued

[JoeH]

For enthusiasts of NFA-controlled firearms (e.g., machine guns, short barrel rifles and shotguns, suppressors), the requirement to get the local chief of police or sheriff's approval on the required Form 1 or Form 4 has been a problem. Started at the inception of the National Firearms Act, the idea was to get the person in front of the chief or sheriff - who was expected to know the "problem children" in his or her jurisdiction - to keep wackos from getting these special weapons. In the 30s through the 70s, that was potentially appropriate: there was no national computer database available at all hours to get criminal histories.

Click the link for the rest of the story.

http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/features/225326

[Squib Joe]

For enthusiasts of NFA-controlled firearms (e.g., machine guns, short barrel rifles and shotguns, suppressors), the requirement to get the local chief of police or sheriff's approval on the required Form 1 or Form 4 has been a problem. Started at the inception of the National Firearms Act, the idea was to get the person in front of the chief or sheriff - who was expected to know the "problem children" in his or her jurisdiction - to keep wackos from getting these special weapons. In the 30s through the 70s, that was potentially appropriate: there was no national computer database available at all hours to get criminal histories.

Click the link for the rest of the story.

http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/features/225326

Good news! Unless you plan on getting anything NFA in the year following.. expect a deluge of applications and long process times.

[Hammer99...]

I'm just speculating but I don't think it will be that bad. Besides there was already a big increase when BO was elected and that was people trying to get one before he took it away. Applicants still need the fingerprints and the 200 bucks. And folks who wanted NFA have always found ways around the CLEO sig. Now if they legalized full and burst auto, none of us would get anything for 20 years.

[bstrawse]

That probably settles it for me, I"m buying a Noveske SBR in 2012.
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[Grgkng]

So forgive me for my ignorance, but what are the steps now to owning an SBR? and at what length is a rifle considered an SBR?

Thanks.

[dsm2nr]

Individuals need to get finger prints taken, passport sized photos, fill out an ATF form 1 or 4, get a CLEO sign off and send in $200 to the ATF.

Living Trusts and Corps. Need to sart a trust / corp, fill out appropriate areas, get it notarized, fill out a form 1 or 4 and send in $200.

I may have forgotten a step or two but that's the gist of it. There's talk of new requirements for trusts and corps requiring prints and photos from those listed in the trust. Almost defeats having a trust but I'd rather my wife be able to use my (future) NFA items.

Barrel length must be 16"+ for a non SBR. Im not sure of OAL.

[Grgkng]

Thanks! So when the CLEO is discontinued one only need send in fingerprint pictures, $200, and form 1 and 4 to the ATF?

Forgive my ignorance but why all the paperwork needed for a barrel length shorter than 16"?

Thanks in advance.

[dsm2nr]

The purpose of the NFA[1] was to regulate what were considered "gangster weapons" such as machine guns and hand grenades.[2] Then U.S. Attorney General Homer S. Cummings recognized that firearms could not be banned outright under the Second Amendment, so he proposed restrictive regulation in the form of an expensive tax and Federal registration. Originally, pistols and revolvers were to be regulated as strictly as machine guns; towards that end, cutting down a rifle or shotgun to circumvent the handgun restrictions by making a concealable weapon was taxed as strictly as a machine gun.

Conventional pistols and revolvers were ultimately excluded from the Act before passage, but other concealable firearms were not: the language as originally enacted defined an NFA "firearm" as:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

[Hammer99...]

Forgive my ignorance but why all the paperwork needed for a barrel length shorter than 16"?

Don't use logic when it comes to gun laws. There is no reason we should have to fill out paperwork to own one. Some people hate guns and they vote.

[gyrfalcon]

Don't use logic when it comes to gun laws. There is no reason we should have to fill out paperwork to own one. Some people hate guns and they vote.

Had they invented logic back when the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the National Firearms Act of 1934 were passed?

[thompssj]

That probably settles it for me, I"m buying a Noveske SBR in 2012.
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Me too. Noveske 10" in 300 AAC Blackout.

[DeanC]

I want something like this with a working shoulder stock. Just because it will piss people off.

[Grgkng]

I was thinking Noveske 7.62 7.5 inch barrel!

[Squib Joe]

I want something like this with a working shoulder stock. Just because it will piss people off.

I believe that would be called a "shoulder thing that goes up"

[DeanC]

I believe that would be called a "shoulder thing that goes up"

Most definitely. I will compromise though, and not use a "barrel shroud", but mostly because I won't need one.