The racist Ron Paul... wait, no.

[gyrfalcon]

[nyffman]

Here is an article written by a former staffer of Paul's. He doesn't seem to bear any real malice toward Paul, so at this point, I'll take what he is saying at face value. His discussion about Paul's 9/11 position is toward the end...

Yeah no real malice..."Eric Dondero is a disgruntled former staffer who was fired for performance issues," Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said in an emailed response to Hotsheet responding to the column. "He has zero credibility and should not be taken seriously."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... rael-gays/

"I believe that Israel is one of our most important friends in the world. And the views that I hold have many adherents in Israel today," Paul was quoted as saying by Haaretz."

Can we stop with the bull now?

That's probably the biggest problem I, and it would seem, many others, have with Ron Paul supporters. Personally, I may be able to accept him in spite of some disagreements I may have in some areas.
You guys do not tolerate any dissension, as in "0". Denial of anything negative about this godlike creation of yours is going to get you exactly no where.

[illbits]

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[illbits]

I'm not certain about this but I get the sense that the racist comments in the Ron Paul newsletters came from people in the the Lew Rockwell clique. Best I can tell Ron still associates with some of them too. Most of them are insanely brilliant people but I do get uncomfortable with anyone who stereotypes any group of people. Still I do read lewrockwell.com pretty regularly and find I often have to take the good and leave the bad. Tolerance can be a virtuous and ugly at the same time. Truth be told I have learned that many stereotypes are stereotypes because there is a certain amount of truth to them.

I reject racism and I believe Ron Paul does too. I also think the newsletter issue is very unfortunate. But the message of Ron Paul's campaign outweighs the mistakes he made in the past with the newsletter, and the errors of some of his associates. He is the only candidate that is fiscally responsible enough to lead the nation away from disaster. We need a president who is willing to take a baseball bat to the knees of big government so that the people do not have to literally resort to such actions themselves.

[S.A.]

Are you for real? We have Senators as old as Ron Paul who were members of the KKK, yet don't come under as much scrutiny or flack as he's getting for a news letter published over 20 years ago...

So it is okay for our guys to be racist because their guys are too? That is real principled.

Libertarian minded folks hitched their wagon to exactly the right star. A star that has over 30 years in congress proving himself.

Proving himself at what, exactly? Getting goodies for his district into bills, and then voting against the bill once he knew it was going to pass regardless of his final vote?

[BemidjiDweller]

Are you for real? We have Senators as old as Ron Paul who were members of the KKK, yet don't come under as much scrutiny or flack as he's getting for a news letter published over 20 years ago...

So it is okay for our guys to be racist because their guys are too? That is real principled.

That is not what he is saying at all. He is saying that they are targeting Paul.

[tweener]

http://www.ron-paul-racist.com/

this site has a lot of resources so you can research and make up your own decision without the media doing it for you.

[gyrfalcon]

So it is okay for our guys to be racist because their guys are too? That is real principled....Proving himself at what, exactly? Getting goodies for his district into bills, and then voting against the bill once he knew it was going to pass regardless of his final vote?

Thanks for setting me strait about Ron Paul. After reading all your posts it's now obvious Ron Paul is the next antichrist who wants to destroy Israel, and torch all non-white blooded Americans at the stake. They should kick him out of the GOP because he's such a liar and keeps flip flopping on issues. Without people like you spreading the truth this racist, anti-American, and big government politician might deceive enough people to get elected.

[gyrfalcon]

That's probably the biggest problem I, and it would seem, many others, have with Ron Paul supporters. Personally, I may be able to accept him in spite of some disagreements I may have in some areas. You guys do not tolerate any dissension, as in "0". Denial of anything negative about this godlike creation of yours is going to get you exactly no where.

I think you have this backwards, or are suffering from a fallacy. The fearful and complacent loyalists of the GOP do not tolerate dissension and are ambivalent towards ideologies that would change their current political, economic, and social positions.

Putting the focus on the arguer or person being discussed can distract us from the issues that matter. Rather than concentrating on an individual’s character, we should, in these cases, be asking ourselves questions such as, Is the doctor’s advice medically sound? Is the Cruise film entertaining? Is the neighbor’s lawn healthy? Meanwhile ad hominem attacks can also unfairly discredit an individual, especially because such critiques are often effective.

[nyffman]

That's probably the biggest problem I, and it would seem, many others, have with Ron Paul supporters. Personally, I may be able to accept him in spite of some disagreements I may have in some areas. You guys do not tolerate any dissension, as in "0". Denial of anything negative about this godlike creation of yours is going to get you exactly no where.

I think you have this backwards, or are suffering from a fallacy. The fearful and complacent loyalists of the GOP do not tolerate dissension and are ambivalent towards ideologies that would change their current political, economic, and social positions.

Putting the focus on the arguer or person being discussed can distract us from the issues that matter. Rather than concentrating on an individual’s character, we should, in these cases, be asking ourselves questions such as, Is the doctor’s advice medically sound? Is the Cruise film entertaining? Is the neighbor’s lawn healthy? Meanwhile ad hominem attacks can also unfairly discredit an individual, especially because such critiques are often effective.

You are right when you say that the GOP loyalists don't tolerate dissension either. A strong Ron Paul showing is a real threat to them.

[S.A.]

Thanks for setting me strait about Ron Paul. After reading all your posts it's now obvious Ron Paul is the next antichrist who wants to destroy Israel, and torch all non-white blooded Americans at the stake. They should kick him out of the GOP because he's such a liar and keeps flip flopping on issues. Without people like you spreading the truth this racist, anti-American, and big government politician might deceive enough people to get elected.

I'm fairly certain you didn't read anything I wrote, as evidence of your hyperbole. If you really are concerned about changing the direction of the country and not having another big government pol elected, it might be advisable to pick someone who (1) actually has governing experience (i.e. Gary Johnson, former Governor of New Mexico) and (2) can't easily be painted as a racist kook by using racist drivel printed in his own newsletters. So eye roll, indeed.

Paul supporters who remain blindly loyal to a candiate with such obvious failings are no different than Obama supporters who ignored all the evidence about his background, except they will not have the media doing cheerleading and running interference the way they did for the Obama campaign did. You can whine about it being unfair or you can actually get behind a candiate that can win the general election.

[illbits]

I'm fairly certain you didn't read anything I wrote, as evidence of your hyperbole. If you really are concerned about changing the direction of the country and not having another big government pol elected, it might be advisable to pick someone who (1) actually has governing experience (i.e. Gary Johnson, former Governor of New Mexico) and (2) can't easily be painted as a racist kook by using racist drivel printed in his own newsletters. So eye roll, indeed.

Paul supporters who remain blindly loyal to a candiate with such obvious failings are no different than Obama supporters who ignored all the evidence about his background, except they will not have the media doing cheerleading and running interference the way they did for the Obama campaign did. You can whine about it being unfair or you can actually get behind a candiate that can win the general election.

Straight from the horse's mouth:

Former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson, who recently abandoned his bid for the Republican Party's presidential nomination, asked his supporters in Iowa to back Ron Paul in the state's caucuses.

Johnson's bid for the GOP nomination failed to gain any real traction and he announced Wednesday that he would instead seek the nomination of the Libertarian Party.

"The cause of individual liberty and freedom is bigger and more important than any candidate or campaign," Johnson said Saturday. "I am hopeful that in urging my supporters in Iowa to vote for Ron Paul in the coming caucuses, a victory for the principles we share can be won."

[S.A.]

Straight from the horse's mouth:

Former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson, who recently abandoned his bid for the Republican Party's presidential nomination, asked his supporters in Iowa to back Ron Paul in the state's caucuses.

Johnson's bid for the GOP nomination failed to gain any real traction and he announced Wednesday that he would instead seek the nomination of the Libertarian Party.

"The cause of individual liberty and freedom is bigger and more important than any candidate or campaign," Johnson said Saturday. "I am hopeful that in urging my supporters in Iowa to vote for Ron Paul in the coming caucuses, a victory for the principles we share can be won."

And? If libertarian minded Republicans had backed Johnson instead of Paul they wouldn't be in this mess. Johnson is expecting, like most people, that Paul will not get the GOP nod, and libertarians will "come home" to the Libertarian Party.

[illbits]

And? If libertarian minded Republicans had backed Johnson instead of Paul they wouldn't be in this mess. Johnson is expecting, like most people, that Paul will not get the GOP nod, and libertarians will "come home" to the Libertarian Party.

I would argue that it was the GOP establishment that prevented Johnson from gaining momentum. Johnson has stated that if Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination he will end his campaign on the Libertarian ticket. He will make a mighty fine VP in my opinion, even a fine president when his time comes.

[S.A.]

I would argue that it was the GOP establishment that prevented Johnson from gaining momentum.

The same way the GOP establishment is preventing Paul from gaining momentum? Or is it more likely that there was only enough oxygen for one libertarian-ish candiate?