Burnsville Winter League 2011-2012

[Retread1911]

Anything over 50 shooters is too many. It ends up being a very long night.

Then toss in the 20% or so that like to shoot-n-scoot and it seems like the same people are doing all the setup/teardown and ROing.

I understand. I did help with scoring ( behind Tom) last match and try to stay and help tear down but don't make it every time.

After thinking about the third stage idea I don't think it would decrease the time but would increase the round count and fun. I am sure Mike has thought it through several times.

[Snowgun]

Anything over 50 shooters is too many. It ends up being a very long night.

Then toss in the 20% or so that like to shoot-n-scoot and it seems like the same people are doing all the setup/teardown and ROing.

I think the biggest problem is when the two stages are unbalanced as far as shooter throughput speed. Everyone gets hung up on the slow stage, both the group that is shooting it and the group who is waiting to shoot it.

We were talking about an idea to take every 10 shooters who finished the slower stage, give them their sheets, and have them go to the fast stage. Also, have the people who finished the fast stage just stick their sheets on the bottom of the slow stage. Or something. Also, be more vigilant up front about having RO's switch out so someone isn't stuck RO'ing or scoring the whole match.

Mike does a great job, and I think we should try ourselves to help him facilitate this very popular event.

[danscrapbags]

Then toss in the 20% or so that like to shoot-n-scoot and it seems like the same people are doing all the setup/teardown and ROing.

Hey! I resemble that remark! I do have a long drive home though.

[MrVvrroomm]

Hey! I resemble that remark! I do have a long drive home though.

Dan, you KNOW that was not directed at you. The habitual shoot-n-scooters know who they are. I understand and appreciate your commitment to this sport.

And Mike, you are doing a tremendous job. I'm not trying to put a negative tone on this conversation. I'm just sayin' that nearly 70 shooters is challenging at this venue.

[danscrapbags]

My thought was to start earlier perhaps 6pm and have the stagglers just slip into squads after a brief shooters/safety meeting. 7pm is too late... but I am game for what whatever Mike does... He is doing a great job!

[TH3180]

My thought was to start earlier perhaps 6pm and have the stagglers just slip into squads after a brief shooters/safety meeting. 7pm is too late... but I am game for what whatever Mike does... He is doing a great job!

Didn't it start earlier last year?

[Snowgun]

My thought was to start earlier perhaps 6pm and have the stagglers just slip into squads after a brief shooters/safety meeting. 7pm is too late... but I am game for what whatever Mike does... He is doing a great job!

One of the nice things about this league is that people who have commitments on Thursday can usually make this since it does start so late. That being said, I think the majority of people are there around 6:30, it's just that some of the more complicated stages take longer to set up.

Starting at 6 means that rodger has less time to clean the ranges from public shooting hours, people have to get there early to set up the stages, and others will have a tough time getting there from work (though having them slip into squads is a good idea).

In reality, what is needed is more people helping out with Setup, scoring, pasting, and ROing...in an EFFICIENT way. Getting the next shooter on deck and on the line before scoring is finished, and having other RO's and scorekeepers on deck to switch out, etc.

(and Mike, I just want to echo Vrooom, your doing a great job, it's us that are the problem. )

[danscrapbags]

I have only attended two matches at Burnsville but have been to hundreds of matches so I have some experience with running matches. The problem with this league pure and simple is too many shooters and not enough time. Another shooter and I were timing the shooters and it adveraged 2-3 minutes between beeps. 3 minutes per shooter 30+ shooters equals 90 minutes per stage. The squads seem to work hard and the RO's are running shooters the best they can, too many shooters is a good thing for USPSA so I am not complaining. Now if only about half of them would come and play with me at MAPSA matches! That would be great!

[Snowgun]

I have only attended two matches at Burnsville but have been to hundreds of matches so I have some experience with running matches. The problem with this league pure and simple is too many shooters and not enough time. Another shooter and I were timing the shooters and it adveraged 2-3 minutes between beeps. 3 minutes per shooter 30+ shooters equals 90 minutes per stage. The squads seem to work hard and the RO's are running shooters the best they can, too many shooters is a good thing for USPSA so I am not complaining. Now if only about half of them would come and play with me at MAPSA matches! That would be great!

Totally agree. For the number of stages this is a packed house. The only reason I say that we can be more efficient is because i've seen it done before at this league, especially when Mr. Vroooom is in Rock and Roll mode and has the RO microphone.

Most other matches during the summer can afford to be more relaxed running people through, where as one needs to be in the upper bell curve of efficiency and effort to really flow people through for this match. Little things such as designated RO's and attention to throughput detail (getting shooters on the line, fast scoring and pasting, etc), could really get this thing rocking and over by a quarter to 9.

[danscrapbags]

We should have an RO running shooters, a scorer and another person to get the scoresheets ready for the scorer, that person would be responsible for getting the next shooter up and ready for their run. This could really help things run smoother.

Another thing that we all have to do is, if you are not helping with setup you should not be downrange chit chatting. Stay clear so that the guys setting up can do their job.

Like I said before too many shooters is not a bad thing for the sport but does make it a challenge.

[plblark]

Dan,

That method seemed to work well until the shooter simply wasn't there. There were a lot of people hanging out in the lobby. To run efficiently, you need all the shooters with their squad within 5-6 shooters of their turn.

[JoeH]

As a side note, Twin Cities Action Shooting runs indoor IDPA matches at Bill's South during the winter. We limit the number of shooters to 40. We require pre-registration in order to do this. We limit the number of shooters because we want to offer four stages.

Can improvements be made in how the match is administered? Sure. But you'll never have a quick match with 60+ shooters in that facility.

[brado]

I think you just need to shoot faster

[JoeH]

I think you just need to shoot faster

Whatever, Stumpy.

[danscrapbags]

Good point Brad!

As for pre-registation, that's what turned me away from IDPA.