Book Review "Glock: The Rise of America's Gun,"

[PhilaBOR]

Yes, it's quite popular with a lot of people, but America's gun? That honor would go to the Colt Peacemaker, or the 1911, or the 1903, or the M1. I smell marketing krap....

Yeah, that one. 100 years old and half the gun owning country still has a fascination with it.

It's kind of like round wheels. When they work, you don't mess with it. Probably why glock is on version 4 and still hasn't fixed the grip angle problem.

ROTFL. It's almost like they think it's a feature rather than a bug.

[TH3180]

I didn't know there was a grip angle problem.

Neither does Gaston.

I liken the glock's popularity to the reason my hollywood friends started driving priuii... they're trendy and popular, thus they sell even for being vastly inferior to other market options.

Apple folks think their "stuff" is better too, and they have a whole 5% market share to prove it.


Glock is a functional weapon (unless you get one in a .40 and it KABOOM's on you), at a lower price point, and they serve a purpose. But, a gun that goes bang every time isn't that high of a standard to meet anymore, and lots of other guns do it as well or better for the same money today.

So what does any of that have to do with "the grip angle problem"? I guess I'm confused.

[MrVvrroomm]

Anyone care to bet me that there are more Glock pistols in the USA than any other brand?

I guess they only own 65% of the LE market, slackers.

[FJ540]

Do they? I know Fridley still has officers carrying them, but I don't know too many others who do. Most have gone from glock to the SW99's and then to M&P's and XD's.

[MrVvrroomm]

Most have gone from glock to the SW99's and then to M&P's and XD's.

Please list any LE agencies by name that carry XD's.

<listening for crickets>

[FJ540]

Sorry, I lump the two into the same bag. I also don't know any LE agencies besides maybe the Air Marshalls or those who go by acronyms who hire "shooters." LEO's have guns because they're required (I'd say more than your 65% of them anyway) - not because they like shooting them.

I'd say glock was a great gun too, if I never had to use it.

[FJ540]

Which also begs the point that the people buying these guns aren't really qualified to do so.

Like Gaston making them, he didn't know what made it good or bad, he just made what he thought a gun should be from an outsiders perspective. He made it cheaper, and thus it sold like hot cakes. Smith had the p99's selling because of discounts to LEO's and I'm sure that had a lot to do with the M&P's success in that market as well (they love the replaceable backstraps so that one gun fit's "more" and they can persist with their stupid policy of issuing a single platform for everyone). Bean counters make the decisions for police departments, not the trigger pullers.

In departments where people choose their weapons, you find more 1911's - Kimber's SIS, FBI's SA Professional, SF guys favor 1911's too. Why do you suppose that is??

[MrVvrroomm]

...SF guys favor 1911's too.

Any chance of providing a reference or two to substantiate this statement?

[FJ540]

Talk to some of them, then look at the purchasing they're doing lately. MEU SOC pistol for example.

[meddin]

Wait...which is better? Glock or 1911?

[Hanns]

I thought the Mosin-Nagant was America's gun? Hell, there's probably more of them here then there are of Glocks...

[Seismic Sam]

I thought the Mosin-Nagant was America's gun? Hell, there's probably more of them here then there are of Glocks...

That's only because we live in the American Siberia, Komrade!! Your toes and cojones must be half frozen before you can appreciate the warmth of a muzzle blast from a Mosin!! That's why we own them! I doubt you will see any Mosin's on an episode of Swamp People down in the bayous...

[Erud]

Sorry, I lump the two into the same bag. I also don't know any LE agencies besides maybe the Air Marshalls or those who go by acronyms who hire "shooters." LEO's have guns because they're required (I'd say more than your 65% of them anyway) - not because they like shooting them.

I'd say glock was a great gun too, if I never had to use it.

Did your father abuse you with a Glock as a child?

It wasn't your fault.

Time to let it go.

Let the healing begin.

[FJ540]

I was already beyond the formative years before Gaston came up with that brick.

[TH3180]

Sorry, I lump the two into the same bag. I also don't know any LE agencies besides maybe the Air Marshalls or those who go by acronyms who hire "shooters." LEO's have guns because they're required (I'd say more than your 65% of them anyway) - not because they like shooting them.

I'd say glock was a great gun too, if I never had to use it.

Did your father abuse you with a Glock as a child?

It wasn't your fault.

Time to let it go.

Let the healing begin.

FTW