Slide Fire Stock For AR-15

[qualcorp]

A friend recomended this AR-15 Stock. Thoughts ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L-93o6h ... re=related

[solidgun]

By wording in the statute, I don't think these are legal in MN. But it can vary by your legal representation and their retainer rate.

[JJ]

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.67
609.67 MACHINE GUNS AND SHORT-BARRELED SHOTGUNS.


Subdivision 1.Definitions.

(a) "Machine gun" means any firearm designed to discharge, or capable of discharging automatically more than once by a single function of the trigger.

(b) "Shotgun" means a weapon designed, redesigned, made or remade which is intended to be fired from the shoulder and uses the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.

(c) "Short-barreled shotgun" means a shotgun having one or more barrels less than 18 inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length less than 26 inches.

(d) "Trigger activator" means a removable manual or power driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that, when attached to a firearm, the rate at which the trigger may be pulled increases and the rate of fire of the firearm increases to that of a machine gun.

(e) "Machine gun conversion kit" means any part or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machine gun, and any combination of parts from which a machine gun can be assembled, but does not include a spare or replacement part for a machine gun that is possessed lawfully under section 609.67, subdivision 3.


Subd. 2.Acts prohibited.

Except as otherwise provided herein, whoever owns, possesses, or operates a machine gun, any trigger activator or machine gun conversion kit, or a short-barreled shotgun may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of not more than $10,000, or both.

[photogpat]

What JJ said...there's been no test case in MN on these yet...although they look like fun!

[rukwikenuf]

all's i can say is that you can't shoot 'em at Bill's. or so i was informed.

the way i see it, full auto (by mechanics or stock) is a waste of money. sure it'd be fun, and it IS fun, but it's a quick way to blow through a ton of ammo, and do it inacurately. the only auto i've shot that i could be REALLY accurate with was the M2. now THAT one is fun. but the M249 SAW, the M240G, the UMP45, MP5, P90, M16 and even the AK47&74 (especially the AK's) are not accurate when shooting full auto. semi auto, they all are pretty accurate (well, except the AK... ). to ME, accuracy = fun.

the only exception to this rule is the MK19. that bad-boy is a blast. well, actually is repetetive blasts hurled down range! 40mm grenades are my friend

[ex-LT]

Only been discussed twice on here in the last year.....

Slide Fire ar-15
Interesting Rifle Stock

[qualcorp]

Only been discussed twice on here in the last year.....

Slide Fire ar-15
Interesting Rifle Stock

i wouldn't want to chance losing a riffle along with 369. stock

[Snowgun]

all's i can say is that you can't shoot 'em at Bill's. or so i was informed.

Why can't these be shot at bills? The "trigger activator" clause sounds like it would catch these things, even if the definition of "machine gun" wouldn't due to the fact this isn't a single trigger pull. Therefore Item e on JJ's list wouldn't apply, but Item D probably would.

My brother in Illinois just built a 9mm carbine AR with one of these. While visiting I got to shoot it. I have to admit, it was pretty wicked.

After the first magazine, I was able to put 30 rounds in a 18" diameter target at 20 yards freehand in "full auto" or whatever. I feel that's pretty accurate for throwing that much lead that fast.

Does it blow ammo? Hell yea. But in 9mm, the giggle factor is pretty damn sweet and worth it, especially if you load your own. We used some TULA also and it fed fine as well.

Yea, it's expensive, but for 50% more than a nice magpul you got yourself some fun. Funny how this is cool in Illinois but not here.

[OldmanFCSA]

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.67
609.67 MACHINE GUNS AND SHORT-BARRELED SHOTGUNS.


Subdivision 1.Definitions.

(d) "Trigger activator" means a removable manual or power driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that, when attached to a firearm, the rate at which the trigger may be pulled increases and the rate of fire of the firearm increases to that of a machine gun.

Subd. 2.Acts prohibited.

Except as otherwise provided herein, whoever owns, possesses, or operates a machine gun, any trigger activator or machine gun conversion kit, [/b]or a short-barreled shotgun may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of not more than $10,000, or both.

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I built an electronic linear actuator for the trigger of my single-shot 50BMG target rifle to test loads and decide if my physical input on firing the rifle was affecting my gun's accuracy.



Question: Is this TRIGGER ACTIVATOR legal in MN?

The "whoever owns, possesses, or operates ................ [b]any trigger activator ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,," concerns me. Its interpetation could be construed to include my application. (the one pictured is on a rifle in Iowa)

[gyrfalcon]

Question: Is this TRIGGER ACTIVATOR legal in MN?

I'd say yes according to the Minnesota definition, unless it increases the rate of fire:

(d) "Trigger activator" means a removable manual or power driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that, when attached to a firearm, the rate at which the trigger may be pulled increases and the rate of fire of the firearm increases to that of a machine gun.

[gyrfalcon]

I'm not sure how the Slide Fire Stock is not considered by the ATF as being illegal after reading this:


http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/reds-akins-open.htm

[photogpat]

Because there's no rhyme or reason to the ATF's rulings....and they're secret!

[JJ]

I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop on these stocks. The Atkins Accellerator had a similar ATF letter at the beginning and a lot of people bought them. Then one day ATF just went :poof: and they all became prohibited items, and the owners had no recourse.

[rukwikenuf]

all's i can say is that you can't shoot 'em at Bill's. or so i was informed.

Why can't these be shot at bills? The "trigger activator" clause sounds like it would catch these things, even if the definition of "machine gun" wouldn't due to the fact this isn't a single trigger pull. Therefore Item e on JJ's list wouldn't apply, but Item D probably would.

My brother in Illinois just built a 9mm carbine AR with one of these. While visiting I got to shoot it. I have to admit, it was pretty wicked.

After the first magazine, I was able to put 30 rounds in a 18" diameter target at 20 yards freehand in "full auto" or whatever. I feel that's pretty accurate for throwing that much lead that fast.

Does it blow ammo? Hell yea. But in 9mm, the giggle factor is pretty damn sweet and worth it, especially if you load your own. We used some TULA also and it fed fine as well.

Yea, it's expensive, but for 50% more than a nice magpul you got yourself some fun. Funny how this is cool in Illinois but not here.

one of the policies i was informed about on my first day working the range. i don't ask questions, i just do as i'm told! low man on the totem pole and all...

[justaguy]

"Full auto" in a rifle is a waste. You need something at least 7.62 or larger and a T&E to live life.