New Glock book out.

[Countryfried Frank]

Glock reports sales of over 2.5 million handguns...

No mention of grip angle in that sentence. No mention of the number of buyers. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that many Glock purchasers have bought more than one and that it is entirely possible to buy a Glock and still think it has a weird grip angle.

in over 100 countries.

Wait just a sec. I thought it was supposed to be America's gun. What the ish are those 99+ other countries doing with America's gun? /sarc

[jp8775]

Pretty successful for a weird angle Ha. Still the most popular gun in Law enforcement. I don’t even think about grip angle, that’s the way I was taught. Shoot by pointing the front sight at the target keeping it there through the press of the trigger. You know not every ones wrist is the same when it comes to range of motion.

[jp8775]

Just for the record in one of the first chapters grip angle and natural portability was covered. Most felt it naturally pointed better than what they were currently carrying and this led to increased sales. I know you never will because you are just anti Glock but you would find the book interesting if you were not so bias. I am not going to keep arguing about personal tastes and splitting hairs about just how many people bought 2.5 million guns. I would rather bow out of this current line. This was supposed to be about the book, but obviously very few have read it.

[gyrfalcon]

I'm not saying he stole. I'm saying that the Glock 17 wasn't 'innovative'. Gaston didn't come up with any new ideas, he just put a few other folks ideas together and set it on top of a weird grip.

Sorry, but to claim the engineers who designed the Glock just took other folks ideas and didn't innovate is ludicrous. I suppose you think the same about the iPod and other successful products?

Innovate Origin:
1540–50; < Latin innovātus past participle of innovāre to renew, alter, equivalent to in- in-2 + novātus ( novā ( re ) to renew, verbal derivative of novus new + -tus past participle suffix)

[whiteox]

I read it. I didn't feel very strongly either way about Glock before reading it. They didn't fit me well, but to each his own.

AFTER reading the book and seeing how the company was run and how people who were integral parts of getting the gun made in the first place and then distributed widely in the US were treated I'll never buy one.

Gaston Glock basically used people to get ahead and threw them away when he was finished. He sold guns to police departments in large part by corrupting law enforcement officials, flying them in and taking them to strip clubs, etc.

He deliberately set up shell companies around the world to evade taxes. They guy is crookeder than Enron.

I'll buy from someone else, thanks.

[FJ540]

Reported 2.5 million people think the grip angle is ok!
http://guns.wikia.com/wiki/Glock

They estimated there were over 2 million 1911's in circulation in 2001. Glock is still playing catch-up.

1911's also cost more, so there's reason to argue there will always be less of them than a gun selling for 20% less. People buy hyundai's when BMW's are available too.

[gyrfalcon]

1911's also cost more, so there's reason to argue there will always be less of them than a gun selling for 20% less. People buy hyundai's when BMW's are available too.

Apparently you've never heard of Rock Island Armory (Armscor)?

Gaston Glock basically used people to get ahead and threw them away when he was finished. He sold guns to police departments in large part by corrupting law enforcement officials, flying them in and taking them to strip clubs, etc....He deliberately set up shell companies around the world to evade taxes. They guy is crookeder than Enron.

I can agree with that, but don't turn around and buy a S&W MP unless you're the pot calling the kettle black.

[FJ540]

RIA's are probably on par for price currently, only you get a better gun when you buy one.

JP, that's interesting how they taught you that method - when I hold a glock, the front sight is aimed at the ceiling, so it's easy to try to lower it down on target. Then holding my wrist downward like that is very uncomfortable and I wonder why I even bothered holding it.

I'll bring in another issue - cops aren't typically shooters. They accept the slab of self-preservation that's issued to them and go back to work. If cops were allowed to choose their duty weapon without consequence to cost, I wonder what glock would be known as today? Maybe they'd have the same rep as hi-point?

Oddly enough, hi-point has done more to try and stylize their slide profile than block:

[jp8775]

RIA's are probably on par for price currently, only you get a better gun when you buy one.

JP, that's interesting how they taught you that method - when I hold a glock, the front sight is aimed at the ceiling, so it's easy to try to lower it down on target. Then holding my wrist downward like that is very uncomfortable and I wonder why I even bothered holding it.

I'll bring in another issue - cops aren't typically shooters. They accept the slab of self-preservation that's issued to them and go back to work. If cops were allowed to choose their duty weapon without consequence to cost, I wonder what glock would be known as today? Maybe they'd have the same rep as hi-point?

Oddly enough, hi-point has done more to try and stylize their slide profile than block:

I just held a 911 and a Glock in my hand side by side several times with a laser bore unit in it. Come on, the ceiling? This is the kind of rhetoric that I am talking about. I also just used a laser training unit (the kind that fires a beam when the trigger is pulled) in both guns, I hit the door knob 10 feet away every time with both guns. I guess I must be a freak of nature.

[FJ540]

Do you prefer an arched or flat mainspring housing?

[Heffay]

Do you prefer an arched or flat mainspring housing?

[FJ540]

It's an honest question.

I prefer flat.

[jp8775]

Do you prefer an arched or flat mainspring housing?

About 30 years ago at the gunnery in St Louis park a guy named Chuck who ran the range that then became later when they moved what is now the Burnsville pistol range, told me that if you get caught up in the “gun feels weird and blame the gun trap”. You will limit yourself especially when it comes to having multiple brands of guns. I have seen that especially in CMP. The people who are always blaming the gun seem to always have trouble really shooting good. I had a guy complain next to me once about his gun; I traded with him, gave him my national match .223 and I shot his. My group was not in the 10 ring (I had not sighted it in for my sight picture) but it was a tight group. Then I said to him: so now what’s your excuse? I think it was the best advice I ever got from any one from Chuck. You guys who say you can’t shoot Glock, if your gun fails in a gun fight does that mean if someone throws you a Glock you will not do well, or say I can’t shoot this do you have a 1911? I shoot a dozen different guns every week. I like to shoot a gun that belongs to my student and show him it groups well, if he is struggling to show him it’s not the gun. Shooting “cold” right out of the box with another brand of gun (not Glock) I have never struggled. Again I just must be a freak of nature it surely is not that I am that good.

[FJ540]

As someone who doesn't have the luxury of shooting every week, or even month, I stick to what is instinctive. When I shoot cold, I don't want to need to use the sights to get the rounds where I want them.

I've never said a glock couldn't be shot well, I said FOR ME it points high. I have far more reasons to not like them than just how horribly they fit my hands/geometry. You keep trying to bring this back around as some undue disdain for the weapon - the difference between glock hate and hi-point hate is that glock people seem to think they have something better: it's like a guy with a 92 prism and a 89 excel fighting over who has the nicer car. No matter how many reasons we come up with, you still can't comprehend there's something not likable about your stupid glocks.

[justaguy]

The Navy SEALs that killed Bin Laden carried Glocks.