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Re: Another I might beat the charge but not the ride

Postby 45Badger on Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:56 pm

shooter wrote:Actually, I was born here and have lived here my entire life. So much for your astute analysis. NO ONE hates criminals and the damage they cause more than I do. I for one would love to see the laws enforced and scum like this burglar working on a prison farmn for the rest of his life. What I DO object to, and the reason for my post, is that quick-draw types just itching to pull their piece on someone give the entire law-abiding, legally carrying community a bad name. We as a community of gun owners HAVE ENOUGH TROUBLE without trigger happy would-be vigilantes making the national news and giving the entire voting public a skewed and incorrect image of us. I would love for you to find me a single P2C instructor, here in MN or in any other state who agrees that what this guy did was a good idea.


My astute analysis is that many folks from left leaning, high tax, high amenity states assume everybody shares their values. And when they come to a free state like New Hampshire, they screw it up. This is a very progressive, over-legislated state. I know PTC is a relatively new deal here. In the four states I have lived in (prior to the Utopian Tundra) and had a carry permit, it's been around a long time NONE had instruction requirements. They are BS in my book. The less sophisticated places I lived (northeast and mid-Atlantic) tended to have gun friendly political climates and things like castle doctrine and liberal class three weapons laws. The bad guys are usually pretty well identified, and the good guys don't get their balls busted for doing mean things to bad guys. Sorry, I don't buy into the we better be nice or Heather Martins will tell the Star Tribune how uncivilized and dangerous we are.

I hear that "He needed killin'" is still a valid legal defense in many southern states 8-)

And while I probably wouldn't shoot somebody over a TV, I want every low life, scum, bag, maternal fornicating thief to be think I will. And scared out of their minds at the thought. Plant a few dirt-bags and most of the rest will learn to get a new hobby.
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Re: Another I might beat the charge but not the ride

Postby Eric Marleau on Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:11 am

Your ideas are being carried out in Syria right now Badger.
Lets see how many of those "scum bags" remain after Bashar al-Assad if finished with them.

I have been getting lots of pressure to start teaching CCW, along with my other classes.
This post confirms to me why I don't want to teach CCW.
I have always known that I would flunk anyone with the mentality of CCW that I have seen by some folks here.

Nothing personal. We can agree to disagree. Just my convoluted views on life I guess.

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Re: Another I might beat the charge but not the ride

Postby justaguy on Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:31 am

Eric Marleau wrote:Your ideas are being carried out in Syria right now Badger.
Lets see how many of those "scum bags" remain after Bashar al-Assad if finished with them.

I have been getting lots of pressure to start teaching CCW, along with my other classes.
This post confirms to me why I don't want to teach CCW.
I have always known that I would flunk anyone with the mentality of CCW that I have seen by some folks here.

Nothing personal. We can agree to disagree. Just my convoluted views on life I guess.

God Bless to All during this Holly Season.

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CCW?

So you thinks Rights should be granted by people like you?
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Re: Another I might beat the charge but not the ride

Postby Eric Marleau on Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:50 am

THAT is the problem with a few people around here.
Instead of having a good debate, someone ALWAYS has to make it personal.

You don't even know me.

Unbelievable. I'm out of here.

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Re: Another I might beat the charge but not the ride

Postby gyrfalcon on Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:59 am

It seemed like a valid question to me, especially since you brought up certifying people.
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Re: Another I might beat the charge but not the ride

Postby CarryCauseICan on Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:58 am

To get back on subject here... Not that I haven't enjoyed the read, but I got an update from the blaze website last night. They are not going to press charges on this legal citizen. Wiser heads prevailed. Thank God! :D
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Re: Another I might beat the charge but not the ride

Postby Chunkychuck on Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:16 am

CarryCauseICan wrote:To get back on subject here... Not that I haven't enjoyed the read, but I got an update from the blaze website last night. They are not going to press charges on this legal citizen. Wiser heads prevailed. Thank God! :D

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/update- ... -burglary/

The County Attorney supported the initial decision on the scene to make an arrest, but after further consideration decided charges would have been unjust, writing in a press release that:

“My review of this situation was based on the circumstances under which a shot was fired and whether other citizens were placed or may have been placed in danger of serious bodily injury. The facts available at the scene on Saturday supported the charge of reckless felony conduct, but subsequent facts discovered since have led me to believe that such a charge under these circumstances would be unjust.”

The County Attorney also reminded New Hampshirites that all firearms owners are responsible for every round fired from their weapons, and he urged them not to become directly involved in the apprehension of criminals or suspects.
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I might beat the charge but not the ride-updated

Postby Snowgun on Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:45 am

What were the subsequent facts that make it ok?
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Re: I might beat the charge but not the ride-updated

Postby justaguy on Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:01 am

Snowgun wrote:What were the subsequent facts that make it ok?

I guess no citizens were placed in harms way.

Either way who cares? The guy walked and rightfully so.
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Re: I might beat the charge but not the ride-updated

Postby Chunkychuck on Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:02 am

Snowgun wrote:What were the subsequent facts that make it ok?

This maybe:
“My review of this situation was based on the circumstances under which a shot was fired and whether other citizens were placed or may have been placed in danger of serious bodily injury.

A loose interpretration of that could mean it was okay to shoot the intruder since the DA specified other citizens. But the DA's statement about not participating in the apphrehesion of crimminals or suspects would seem to counter that interpretation. My guess is that since the shot was in such a way, into the ground, and law-abiding people were not around to be hit by the shot or a possible ricochet, he (the DA) wasn't going to step further into the hornet's nest that already had been created.
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Re: I might beat the charge but not the ride-updated

Postby Chunkychuck on Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:04 am

justaguy wrote:
Snowgun wrote:What were the subsequent facts that make it ok?

I guess no citizens were placed in harms way.

Either way who cares? The guy walked and rightfully so.


It takes me longer to type than Justa and he beat me to the punch.
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Re: I might beat the charge but not the ride-updated

Postby shooter on Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:18 pm

I'm glad the guy walked. He's obvously not one of the bad guys and I never intended to sound like I thought he was a bad guy.

I just didn't agree with his handling of the situation. I wasn't there. I like to think I would have chosen an option other than drawing my weapon.

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Re: I might beat the charge but not the ride-updated

Postby CarryCauseICan on Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:20 pm

This guy should be rewarded for holding the perp until the cops came! Just think of all those tax payers dollars he saved the police for not having to waste the time and effort looking for him!
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Re: Another I might beat the charge but not the ride

Postby 45Badger on Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:43 pm

Eric Marleau wrote:Your ideas are being carried out in Syria right now Badger. HUH? I think you are missing or grossly exaggerating a point, or two.
Lets see how many of those "scum bags" remain after Bashar al-Assad if finished with them. "scum-bag" was one of several adjectives to the noun "thief". While I don't support Sharia law, I do think their treatment of theives sends a very clear message.

I have been getting lots of pressure to start teaching CCW, along with my other classes.
This post confirms to me why I don't want to teach CCW.
I have always known that I would flunk anyone with the mentality of CCW that I have seen by some folks here. I'm an NRA certified instructor in Basic Pistol and Personal Protection in the Home. I absolutely follow the letter of the law in all matters concerning firearms and their use. That said, MN law is pretty wimpy. No offense intended to the work done to bring shall issue to this bastion of individual rights and liberties 8-) . I'm a fan and proponent of castle doctrine and I'm a fan and proponent of people's rights to use weapons to stop, prevent, or interrupt criminal behavior (before anybody blows a Heather gasket, I'm not referring to jaywalking, speeding, or other mild offenses). I trust my own judgement and will use a weapon as I judge necessary and will be responsible for its use and consequences. So far, I have not had the need to shoot anybody ;) .

Nothing personal. We can agree to disagree. Just my convoluted views on life I guess. Ditto, peace out...... :)

God Bless to All during this Holly Season.

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Re: I might beat the charge but not the ride-updated

Postby gyrfalcon on Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:14 am

CarryCauseICan wrote:This guy should be rewarded for holding the perp until the cops came! Just think of all those tax payers dollars he saved the police for not having to waste the time and effort looking for him!


Unfortunately the tax payers will pay for him to sit in jail...
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