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Re: Tell Governor Dayton to sign the Stand Your Ground bill

Postby EAJuggalo on Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:40 am

plblark wrote:I suspect the three days doesn't begin until it leaves the house concordance which I thought happened Monday but I must have been mistaken as I'm now informed should happen today. I'm not sure if it's 3 calendar days or 3 business days but I can ask.

My understanding was that the senate made same minor change to the bill so the house had to vote to either accept the senate version or send it to conference committee. The house voted to accept the senate version and send it to the Governor on the 29th with a not quite veto proof majority, but close.
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Re: Tell Governor Dayton to sign the Stand Your Ground bill

Postby EAJuggalo on Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:53 am

Here is the change in the bill that the House had to accept.

"(d) An individual is not entitled to the benefit of the presumption in paragraph (a) if the
individual knows or has reason to know that the person against whom the defensive action is being
taken is a licensed peace officer from this state, another state, the United States, or any subordinate
jurisdiction of the United States, who is acting lawfully."
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Re: Tell Governor Dayton to sign the Stand Your Ground bill

Postby RobD on Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:07 am

EAJuggalo wrote:Here is the change in the bill that the House had to accept.

"(d) An individual is not entitled to the benefit of the presumption in paragraph (a) if the
individual knows or has reason to know that the person against whom the defensive action is being
taken is a licensed peace officer from this state, another state, the United States, or any subordinate
jurisdiction of the United States, who is acting lawfully."


They actually only added
or has reason to know


to that... which the committee determined significant enough to require a house vote.
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Re: Tell Governor Dayton to sign the Stand Your Ground bill

Postby photogpat on Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:07 am

The "anti's" are again burning up Twitter and Facebook this morning... I'm guessing Joan/Heather have talked to Katie once or twice...
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Re: Tell Governor Dayton to sign the Stand Your Ground bill

Postby plblark on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:28 am

Katie was sounding a bit short this morning. They also had a couple other staffers answering phones.

Here's what I sent out to all my students again:
Thank you for the calls and e-mails you've already made. We're in the home stretch now and we need to double our efforts.
The Minnesota House officially forwarded the Stand Your Ground bill to Governor Dayton last night.
It's time to keep up the pressure and let Governor Dayton know we're not going away!

Call: 651-201-3400 (the staff were sounding a bit harried when I called this morning)
Contact Form: http://mn.gov/governor/contact-us/form/ (They may not be reading the main e-mail address)
E-mail: Mark.Dayton@state.mn.us (have a couple e-mail addresses? Send one from each of them)
Fax: 651-797-1850 (faxzero.com is a great free online faxing tool. I sent mine from my carpool the past few days)
SPREAD THE WORD: The best wqay to get people to do anything is for someone they know to contact them personally.

Since it's sometimes difficult to start from a blank page, here's an e-mail someone else wrote that I think is excellent:
Governor Dayton,

I urge you to sign HF 1467, the “Stand Your Ground” bill.

As Minnesota law now stands, if a person fires a gun in self-defense the defendant is presumed to have broken the law unless they can offer an affirmative defense. The most important provision of HF 1467, widely known as “Stand Your Ground”, removes the presumption of guilt by those using firearms in lawful self-defense.

This bill has been widely and grossly misrepresented by those opposed to the civil possession and carrying of firearms as “Shoot First”. The same arguments that were originally made in opposition of Minnesota’s Shall Issue carry permit law- that trigger-happy gun carriers would cause “the streets to run red with blood”- are now being repeated despite the complete failure of the “Dodge City” scenarios to come to pass.

You may be aware of a recent case in Iowa in which a man used a firearm in self-protection, and because the county attorney in that case believed that the man had not vacated the scene of an altercation rapidly enough, was tried for using a firearm unlawfully. The jury acquitted him, but only after several weeks in jail during which time he suffered the loss of home, job, and possessions. HF 1467 is necessary to prevent a similar episode from happening in Minnesota.

Some state Law Enforcement Management are against the right of citizens’ ability to protect themselves. They do NOT represent the views of rank and file street officers. These street officers will be the first to tell you that ordinary citizens cannot rely on the police to protect them during the first critical seconds, when their lives are in danger.

The experience across Minnesota, as well as the United States over the past decade or so, is that the carrying and lawful use of firearms by law-abiding citizens increases, rather than decreases, the public safety.

I would like to take you at your word, as that's one of the most important things a politician has ... his integrity.

Again, I urge that HF 1467 be signed into law.

Thank You.
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Re: Tell Governor Dayton to sign the Stand Your Ground bill

Postby plblark on Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:32 pm

I noticed in looking at the original vs the Concordance vote that the following Reps flipped in our favor:
McFarlane (R)
Doepke (R)
Murphy, M (D) !!! (Duluth - Hermantown)
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Re: Tell Governor Dayton to sign the Stand Your Ground bill

Postby photogpat on Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:35 pm

plblark wrote:I noticed in looking at the original vs the Concordance vote that the following Reps flipped in our favor:
McFarlane (R)
Doepke (R)
Murphy, M (D) !!! (Duluth - Hermantown)


Did Murphy hit the wrong button? Joan must not have sent a big enough card this year!
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Re: Tell Governor Dayton to sign the Stand Your Ground bill

Postby Thunder71 on Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:37 pm

Looking forward to the thread with a title similar to: Minnesota: Governor Dayton Signs Gun Rights Bill Into Law
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Re: Tell Governor Dayton to sign the Stand Your Ground bill

Postby JoeH on Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:00 pm

Andrew is on the phones this afternoon.
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Re: Tell Governor Dayton to sign the Stand Your Ground bill

Postby plblark on Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:28 pm

Katie as well.
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Re: Tell Governor Dayton to sign the Stand Your Ground bill

Postby shooter115 on Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:13 pm

Katie picked up on the second ring this afternoon. She must not be too terribly busy, C'mon Guys!!! 651-201-3400....It only takes a few seconds
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Re: Tell Governor Dayton to sign the Stand Your Ground bill

Postby Thunder71 on Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:18 pm

One ring, on hold for 10 seconds, then she was available to hear my very important message. :D

Poor girl sounds so tired.
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Re: Tell Governor Dayton to sign the Stand Your Ground bill

Postby JoeH on Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:07 pm

Written response to my letter...

GovDayton.jpg


I'm not encouraged by this.
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Re: Tell Governor Dayton to sign the Stand Your Ground bill

Postby 17Rebel76 on Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:15 pm

JoeH wrote:Written response to my letter...

GovDayton.jpg


I'm not encouraged by this.


Why do I feel like I just received a text from a girlfriend saying "we need to talk..."

He better sign this. So sick of the gun grabbing libs.
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Re: Tell Governor Dayton to sign the Stand Your Ground bill

Postby rtk on Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:35 pm

17Rebel76 wrote:Why do I feel like I just received a text from a girlfriend saying "we need to talk...



I was thinking the same thing.
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