Price for reloads in 9mm

[jspace]

I've been told don't shoot anyone else's reloads but someone must shoot them if they are selling them.

Sorry to have to crawl out from under my bridge, but that kind of thinking can get you hurt or killed. Just because someone else has shot some anonymous guy's reloads and lived doesn't prove ANYTHING. NOTHING. Nada!! Zip!! It just means that he hasn't screwed up bad enough yet to get somebody seriously hurt. Do you really want to buy a ticket in THAT kind of a Russian Roulette lottery? Assuming a guys sells 20 boxes of 50 rounds of something a show (1,000 rounds), that means that his error rate has to be less than 1 in 1,000. Say it's only 1 in 10,000, which sounds pretty good on the face of it. That means that one of his customers is going to get hurt in less than a year of him selling his stuff at shows. Are those odds that you would be willing to accept??

Going by this logic, no one should even trust factory ammo.

Bad factory rounds happen. Not often, but they do nonetheless.
That's why ammunition companies have lawyers and insurance.

[Seismic Sam]

The "whack-a-mole" title comes from beating the case into the resizing die with a plastic hammer, and then knocking it back out from the top. Priming involves no whacking, powder is measured by a scoop, and the bullet is hand seated with heavy hand pressure pressure or perhaps a gentle tap to get the bullet started. Very basic, very fundamental equipment that can make shootable reloads. I have no idea how long before I bought one 38 years ago that they were introduced, but they're still being sold. Your chances of screwing up are pretty minimal unless you grab the wrong can of powder or buy the wrong type of primers.

Your chances of making a mistake with a Dillon progressive are WAYYY higher unless you find a tutor to show you how everything works and what all the common mistakes are.

[Stradawhovious]

The "whack-a-mole" title comes from beating the case into the resizing die with a plastic hammer, and then knocking it back out from the top. Priming involves no whacking, powder is measured by a scoop, and the bullet is hand seated with heavy hand pressure pressure or perhaps a gentle tap to get the bullet started. Very basic, very fundamental equipment that can make shootable reloads. I have no idea how long before I bought one 38 years ago that they were introduced, but they're still being sold. Your chances of screwing up are pretty minimal unless you grab the wrong can of powder or buy the wrong type of primers.

Your chances of making a mistake with a Dillon progressive are WAYYY higher unless you find a tutor to show you how everything works and what all the common mistakes are.

I started with a "Whack a mole" kit for .30-06 and .45-70 because it was way cheaper than buying new die sets, and I wasn't planning on making that many rounds for either. They are easily as acurate and reliable as the rounds I now make with my Rock Chucker for the same calibers.

I wouldn't hesitiate to get a whack a mole kit If i were a beginner again. It makes you very aware of all the steps needed to reload, and forces you to pay attention to each one. Great way to learn IMHO. You might want to reconsider it you are making handgun blasting ammo though... it would take you a week to prepare for one range trip.

[Seismic Sam]

I've been told don't shoot anyone else's reloads but someone must shoot them if they are selling them.

Sorry to have to crawl out from under my bridge, but that kind of thinking can get you hurt or killed. Just because someone else has shot some anonymous guy's reloads and lived doesn't prove ANYTHING. NOTHING. Nada!! Zip!! It just means that he hasn't screwed up bad enough yet to get somebody seriously hurt. Do you really want to buy a ticket in THAT kind of a Russian Roulette lottery? Assuming a guys sells 20 boxes of 50 rounds of something a show (1,000 rounds), that means that his error rate has to be less than 1 in 1,000. Say it's only 1 in 10,000, which sounds pretty good on the face of it. That means that one of his customers is going to get hurt in less than a year of him selling his stuff at shows. Are those odds that you would be willing to accept??

Going by this logic, no one should even trust factory ammo.

So are you saying that the safety of an ammunition manufacturing process is NOT directly related to the number of injuries per million? And are you trying to imply that there is no major difference between the injury rate of an uninsured amateur with one bad load per 10,000 rounds, and an ammo company with a bad load rate of one per million? Last I checked, 1 in 10,000 means 100 TIMES more injuries than 1 in 1,000,000. Oh, and let's totally forget the fact that ammo companies have validated manufacturing processes, and written out quality control procedures, and regular audits on reportable incidents, and risk management audits, and lots of other QC checks, while the amatuer has NONE of this.

So where exactly does my logic suggest that there's no difference between the two??

[gwilley1]

Can rock chucker be used for hand gun ammo? One on Craigslist for 125

[TTS]

Can rock chucker be used for hand gun ammo? One on Craigslist for 125

You can get a new lee single stage for $50-75

ETA: here is a whole kit for $129
http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?pdesc=Lee-50th-Anniversary-Reloading-Press-Kit&i=423499&r=view&aID=510P1C&cvsfa=2586&cvsfe=2&cvsfhu=343233343939&cID=GSHOP_423499

Or cabelas has the lee 1000 complete with dies for $159

[grousemaster]

I've been told don't shoot anyone else's reloads but someone must shoot them if they are selling them.

Sorry to have to crawl out from under my bridge, but that kind of thinking can get you hurt or killed. Just because someone else has shot some anonymous guy's reloads and lived doesn't prove ANYTHING. NOTHING. Nada!! Zip!! It just means that he hasn't screwed up bad enough yet to get somebody seriously hurt. Do you really want to buy a ticket in THAT kind of a Russian Roulette lottery? Assuming a guys sells 20 boxes of 50 rounds of something a show (1,000 rounds), that means that his error rate has to be less than 1 in 1,000. Say it's only 1 in 10,000, which sounds pretty good on the face of it. That means that one of his customers is going to get hurt in less than a year of him selling his stuff at shows. Are those odds that you would be willing to accept??

Going by this logic, no one should even trust factory ammo.

[Countryfried Frank]

Can rock chucker be used for hand gun ammo? One on Craigslist for 125

Short answer is yes. It will not be fast but it is effective and you can do a LOT worse. Almost all presses and dies are interchangeable; you can use a Lee die set on a RCBS Press, Lyman on a Dillon, etc. The dies are caliber specific. My recommendation if you are looking to get into reloading is to start with a single stage and go slow. Once you get knowledgeable and familiar with the process switch to progressive for handgun ammo.

[Npederse]

Can rock chucker be used for hand gun ammo? One on Craigslist for 125

I think a single-stage Rock Chucker is a great starter press. Dead reliable and allows you to focus on making each round correctly. Even if you end up moving on to a progressive press after a while, the Rock Chucker is great for building up new loads or for rifle loads, etc.

[Stradawhovious]

Can rock chucker be used for hand gun ammo? One on Craigslist for 125

I have one in addition to my Dillon 550. I couldn't live without it.

And I don't even keep it locked up away from the kids!

I used to use it for everything before I got the Dillon, but now use it for rifle cartridges, or working up small batches for testing. It will be slow and go for blaster ammo, but that's what I started on, and I firmly believe it made me a better reloader.

[gwilley1]

Can rock chucker be used for hand gun ammo? One on Craigslist for 125

And I don't even keep it locked up away from the kids!

[gwilley1]

I picked up a copy of lyman reloading handbook 49th edition this morning. Now for some reading

[mmcnx2]

Can rock chucker be used for hand gun ammo? One on Craigslist for 125

And I don't even keep it locked up away from the kids!

I've got two progressive presses and still have a rock chucker that I would never part with. I use it for my low volume stuff.