Proposed UN treaties. you guys see this yet?

[gunforhire]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-should-have-all-gun-owners-up-in-arms/

Like I said, I actually own no guns. I lost em all in a accident in lake superior

[Thunder71]

Yep...

Not gonna happen...

[Hmac]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-should-have-all-gun-owners-up-in-arms/

Like I said, I actually own no guns. I lost em all in a accident in lake superior

Hmmm. I have to say that that article is probably the most alarmist position on the UN treaty that I've seen so far. Hard to know where the truth lies. I'm pretty confident that we'll see a lot more shrill rhetoric and nonchalant obfuscation before the dust settles on this issue. That's assuming that the notoriously inept UN can pull this off.

Last I read, the Senate 2/3 majority necessary to ratify such a treaty, even if the UN could get its act together enough to actually grab its ass with both hands, was quite a long shot. I'm pretty sure that about half the Senate wouldn't give a rip about embarassing Obama internationally.

[ex-LT]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-should-have-all-gun-owners-up-in-arms/

Like I said, I actually own no guns. I lost em all in a accident in lake superior

Hmmm. I have to say that that article is probably the most alarmist position on the UN treaty that I've seen so far. Hard to know where the truth lies. I'm pretty confident that we'll see a lot more shrill rhetoric and nonchalant obfuscation before the dust settles on this issue. That's assuming that the notoriously inept UN can pull this off.

Last I read, the Senate 2/3 majority necessary to ratify such a treaty, even if the UN could get its act together enough to actually grab its ass with both hands, was quite a long shot. I'm pretty sure that about half the Senate wouldn't give a rip about embarassing Obama internationally.

You are correct about the 2/3 majority for ratification. However, given the propensity of this administration to crap on ignore the Constitution (recess appointments while congress is in session, execution of US citizens without trial/conviction, executive orders suspending deportation of illegal immigrants, etc), it wouldn't surprise me to see the *resident attempt to "ratify" the treaty via executive order.

[Ramoel]

This is what the NRA had to say about it yesterday. They are attending all the UN meetings.
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/feder ... erway.aspx

[Heffay]

You are correct about the 2/3 majority for ratification. However, given the propensity of this administration to crap on ignore the Constitution (recess appointments while congress is in session, execution of US citizens without trial/conviction, executive orders suspending deportation of illegal immigrants, etc), it wouldn't surprise me to see the *resident attempt to "ratify" the treaty via executive order.

Right. I'm sure that is what will happen...

[Lunchbox]

You are correct about the 2/3 majority for ratification. However, given the propensity of this administration to crap on ignore the Constitution (recess appointments while congress is in session, execution of US citizens without trial/conviction, executive orders suspending deportation of illegal immigrants, etc), it wouldn't surprise me to see the *resident attempt to "ratify" the treaty via executive order.

Right. I'm sure that is what will happen...

In all honesty would you be surprised?

[LarryP]

Email I got from NRA On this Issue--


LARRY,

Today I went to New York to testify before the United Nations to stop the Arms Trade Treaty...a treaty that could ban every rifle, pistol and shotgun you own...a treaty that could turn our God-given Right to Keep and Bear Arms into a U.N.-regulated privilege...

...A treaty that has the full support of President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who are eager to COOPERATE with the U.N.

With the stroke of a pen, Obama invited Syria, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, and the world's worst tyrants and dictators to rewrite our Constitution and lay waste to the Second Amendment.

After the U.N. delayed my testimony and tried to deny me a chance to speak out on behalf of gun owners like you...I stood up to those tyrants and said there will be NO COMPROMISE. American gun owners will never surrender our Second Amendment freedom...period!

But my words fell on deaf ears. Thanks to the Obama administration, this treaty is marching forward, and I need your help to stop it.



First, take a moment right now to sign your Declaration of Independence from the U.N. Gun Ban Treaty today. This declaration demands that your Senators defend freedom and block this dangerous treaty when it reaches the United States Senate.
With Obama's unilateral support for this freedom-destroying treaty, we must rely on the United States Senate to defend our Constitution and refuse to ratify this international gun ban. And your signature on this declaration is the most powerful tool in our arsenal!

Second, after you sign your Declaration, help NRA rally every American gun owner against this U.N. assault on our freedom by making an emergency contribution of $10, $15, $20, $30 or more today.
I want to make sure law-abiding Americans like you will never be forced to kneel before the altar of the U.N. and surrender your constitutional rights!

I want to make sure every American knows that Barack Obama has willingly surrendered our sovereignty and our birthright that generations of patriots have died defending.

With your immediate contribution of $10, $15, $20 or $30, NRA will blanket the country with ads and mailings that expose the truth that Obama is working with the U.N. to attack our Second Amendment freedoms.

And NRA is taking this fight head-on...at U.N. headquarters in New York...on Capitol Hill...and in all 50 states!!!

But we can only win if millions of American gun owners unite and add their voices to this fight. So please, sign your Declaration of Independence and make an urgent gift of $10, $15, $20, $30 or the most generous amount you can afford to NRA now.

Time is running out. The U.N. will vote on this treaty on July 27! Please stand with me and draw your own personal line in the sand against the U.N. Gun Ban Treaty before it's too late. Thank you.

In Liberty,

Wayne LaPierre



P.S. Please forward this call to arms to every family member, friend, co-worker, and gun owner that you know!

[bstrawse]

Treaties do not override the constitution - treaties have to be ratified by the Senate anyways - and there's no way something like this would get through the Senate.
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[Hmac]

I "worked" with the UN after the earthquake in Haiti. Not so much the soldiers "on the line", but farther up the administrative chain. It is, without a doubt, the most inept organization in the world, with the possible exception of Somalia's government. I agree that getting a 2/3 majority in the Senate to support such a treaty is unlikely, but that's assuming that the UN can get its act together enough to actually write such a multi-national document that has any degree of coherence. I consider that unlikely. And the fact that Iran was invited to be on the organizing bureau for the group only reinforces my estimation that the whole process is likely to be yet another version of the UN Clown Show.

I'm not saying that one shouldn't donate to the NRA/ILA in support of their stance, but I suspect we have only seen the leading edge of the fear-mongering that will be coming down the pike and I'm inclined to take it all with a grain of salt.

I do agree that it's possible we may see an end-around attempt via Executive Order. That will be interesting. Most of Obama's previous shenanigans haven't really occurred under the watchful eye of any significant NRA-like scrutiny.

[rugersol]

It may be quite possible these clowns don't realize this is all fer naught.

... but what if it ain't?

I agree, 2/3 Senate approval is unlikely. But if an agreement is made, where tax cuts are extended, and/or osamacare is repealed, who's to say what can 'er can't pass? They passed the '94 AWB ... no "Republicans" voted fer that?!

They're clearly attempting something ... and their end-run may not yet be clear.

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

... is anyone here suggesting, while whatever these clowns are attempting, we (the NRA) "do nothing"?

If they are successful, what will you say about that? ... "oops"?

Regardless, does anyone here honestly believe the U.S. signing this treaty will do any good ... for anyone?!

Would you sign it?!

[Heffay]

Well, we better all start donating lots of money to the organizations who are fighting this! It's the only way to stop it!

[tazdevil]

It may be quite possible these clowns don't realize this is all fer naught.

... but what if it ain't?

I agree, 2/3 Senate approval is unlikely. But if an agreement is made, where tax cuts are extended, and/or osamacare is repealed, who's to say what can 'er can't pass? They passed the '94 AWB ... no "Republicans" voted fer that?!

They're clearly attempting something ... and their end-run may not yet be clear.

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

... is anyone here suggesting, while whatever these clowns are attempting, we (the NRA) "do nothing"?

If they are successful, what will you say about that? ... "oops"?



Regardless, does anyone here honestly believe the U.S. signing this treaty will do any good ... for anyone?!

Would you sign it?!

Then be prepared to :

A: Hide your guns

B: Open revolt and rebellion

C: Dont worry about it, the UN is full of woussies who can't tie their own shoe most of the time.

I'm not advocating for "B", but just saying.

[tazdevil]

Well, we better all start donating lots of money to the organizations who are fighting this! It's the only way to stop it!

How does the song go.... "Bring lawyers guns and money, cause the S&*() has hit the fan".

[OldmanFCSA]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-should-have-all-gun-owners-up-in-arms/

Like I said, I actually own no guns. I lost em all in a accident in lake superior

WHY THE LINK TO AN ARTICLE OVER A YEAR OLD ??

If you have a more current link - post it.