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Re: Open Carry Litter Clean Up & Friendly Gathering

Postby jshuberg on Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:44 pm

Audible Chocolate wrote:I personally have no problems with most police.
I don't like police. I don't like what I have seen going on with police in the press.

You seem like you're a bit confused to me.

Audible Chocolate wrote:This event has nothing to do with cop block.
The only Role Minnesota Cop Block will play in this event is hosting a gallery of the photos and video after the event.
I do not resent police officers and have no plans to advertise this event as a "cop block" or "anti-LEO" event.

Except that you are in fact advertising this on the Minnesota Cop Block website, posted as the user "Minnesota Cop Block"
http://www.facebook.com/mncopblock

Audible Chocolate wrote:I intend to be video and audio recording most of the event.

Of course you do. That is, after all the intent of this whole thing:
http://www.copblock.org/17740/public-fi ... s-bryanne/

Audible Chocolate wrote:WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAND OUT LITERATURE!!! The only way we are allowed to do so is if the public approaches you.

Since you specifically asked the "park services detector" about handing out literature, exactly what literature do you intend to hand out to those that approach you?
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Audible Chocolate wrote:The main objective is to spread awareness of rights and laws Minnesota offers to the public.

The main objective is to get as many armed people together as possible under the guise of "cleaning the park", and to create a confrontation with law enforcement so that you can video it, edit it, and publish it as evidence of police abuse. It is also an opportunity to flyer for your organization to anyone stupid enough to approach you.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't suspect you'll find very many friends on this forum. Have a good day.
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Re: Open Carry Litter Clean Up & Friendly Gathering

Postby Audible Chocolate on Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:15 pm

you know what bud, you got me. congratulations. I have tried to be nothing but polite and respectful to everyone here. The fact that I don't like police shouldn't keep all of you from showing up. Sorry for intruding on your super best friends forum.
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Re: Open Carry Litter Clean Up & Friendly Gathering

Postby Humphrey Bogart on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:27 pm

This is delicate stuff.....This image is on the page linked in your sig line......not subtle :)

The Tin Fish is my first stop on a Bike Ride...I always carry openly when biking and I sit for a break on their patio....High Concentration of Libs.

I get looks but never any static.

There have been Gun Rights Get Togethers at the Lake Harriet Bandshell sponsored by Andrew Rothmans's Forum

http://www.carryforum.com/forum/

They were held here and I had no concern that I was doing anything but 'HANGING OUT'...A total grass roots bottom-to-top event.
I'm having trouble getting past the copblock vibe....sorry....don't know how to get past that....

Rome wasn't built in a day....join the community and try again next year. Good Luck.

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Re: Open Carry Litter Clean Up & Friendly Gathering

Postby GunGoogler on Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:36 am

Audible Chocolate wrote:Sorry for intruding on your super best friends forum.


This some gold, right here. Can we get MNGunTalk t-shirts made that says Super Best Friends Forum on them?
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Re: Open Carry Litter Clean Up & Friendly Gathering

Postby photogpat on Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:50 am

Audible Chocolate wrote:Good luck with this. Have you ever read a tabloid? I could post your photo and say you were bigfoot.


I'm not a "public figure" (ie. Barack, J Lo, Octamom), therefore you can't do that otherwise you get a take-down for defamation of character/use of my likeness w/o permission.

Try again though...
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Re: Open Carry Litter Clean Up & Friendly Gathering

Postby photogpat on Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:52 am

Audible Chocolate wrote: Sorry for intruding on your super best friends forum.


I must have missed the memo....we should all get together and have a big group giggle (and some PBR's).

Don't go away mad! :lol:
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Re: Open Carry Litter Clean Up & Friendly Gathering

Postby Bender on Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:11 am

Audible Chocolate wrote:Nice to have an account on this forum finally. Just haven't gotten to it sooner.


Well, actually you already have an account on this forum as well as other local forums.

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Re: Open Carry Litter Clean Up & Friendly Gathering

Postby Pezhead on Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:12 am

Interesting.
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Re: Open Carry Litter Clean Up & Friendly Gathering

Postby Squib Joe on Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:17 am

Bender wrote:
Audible Chocolate wrote:Nice to have an account on this forum finally. Just haven't gotten to it sooner.


Well, actually you already have an account on this forum as well as other local forums.

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I just went from skeptical of his intent to complete distrust of him and his event. Steering wide of this one and hope the rest of you do too.
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Re: Open Carry Litter Clean Up & Friendly Gathering

Postby plblark on Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:22 am

ronin069 wrote:Coming off of the near-favorable Strib article this week, our Anti friends would give almost anything to knock us down a bit...

Bender wrote:
Audible Chocolate wrote:Nice to have an account on this forum finally. Just haven't gotten to it sooner.

Well, actually you already have an account on this forum as well as other local forums.
User banned for violating forum rules re: multiple accounts.


Squib Joe wrote:I just went from skeptical of his intent to complete distrust of him and his event. Steering wide of this one and hope the rest of you do too.

Since you've ignored all the good advice given and doubled down on the stubborn confrontational approach, I agree with Squib Joe.

Because I'm sure you're going to do this anyway, I'll try to pass on some guidelines from successful events and activists:

1) Only ONE type of activism at a time.
Decide WHICH TYPE of activism for WHICH cause and ruthlessly eliminate any linkage to ANY other cause or group.
This keeps your supporters, opposition, those on the sideline, and most importantly YOU from getting confused about your motives and goals. You can't help your connection to Cop Block and shouldn't be ashamed of it. It's something you feel strongly about. Posting / hosting the video, audio, and pictures of a non-Cop Block event on the Cop-Block page / site / etc confuses people.

2) Communicate clearly and effectively
In essence what you're trying to do here is to normalize OC behavior.

What is your message? - It's no big deal folks, we're regular people doing something lawful.
Try to remove anything that would distract from the message or allow the opposition or audience to get sidetracked. It's not enough to be RIGHT, you have to be able to communicate it in a manner that people will leave better informed or with a better opinion of your cause. Simple, concise, well documented, calmly presented, Normalized, safe, rational, non-threatening. The more common sense you can present it the better.

What is your target audience?
You have several different layers and levels of people who will be taking this in:
The general public: Don't think about guns, generally believe the news and movies, are uncomfortable with people with guns. They often project their fears and motives onto you. Most of their experience with guns is incorrect or through examples of illegal behavior, not law abiding gun owners as good people.
Gun Owners: often mistake "shall not be infringed" as long as they can still hunt and don't get the bear arms part.
Permit holders: OC is a minority in the permit holder world. Most are discrete and choose to conceal. The Permit system is new enough to remember how we got here. It took a long time and careful planning to gain what we have without a lot of restrictions and bad legal language. You're making waves. Sometimes that leads to change and sometimes that change is good. That's not always the way to bet without careful consideration

3) Be the BEST example of the cause you can
This is mostly common sense and not giving the opposition any ammunition. You're probably the first OC group most people you meet have seen. Leave a good impression.

Cleanest
When doing activism: Dress more conservatively, put on clean crisp clothes. Pay attention to grooming: Do I need a haircut? Shower and shave right before heading out. etc... I'm not saying you're a slob. I'm saying that in any group, there's that one guy the rest would prefer had stayed home. Don't be the stereotype showing up in ratty and tattered camo clothes and the stars and bars.

Best informed
No matter who you interact with, you have to KNOW the facts, the law, and your message. Then you have to be able to CONSISTENTLY and CLEARLY communicate it. IT'S MY RIGHT is NOT effective communication. Tactical Timmy is NOT effective communication.

Most Polite
Those nice guys with an odd habit leaves a much different impression than those jerks who were right and "technically" legal.

Safest
Don't touch the guns. Murphy loves a practical joke and he has a sick sense of humor. Wear a comfortable stable holster on a good belt.
Retention holsters would be a good idea.
Be aware of your muzzle. Think how you bend and where the muzzle is pointing.Even gunnies who KNOW it's safe when holstered don't like to look down the muzzle. Shoulder holsters would be a BAD idea.

While it's essential for EVERYONE at the event to follow the guidelines above and to KNOW THEIR STUFF, The most successful events I've been to had "event Marshals" or "Point people" - those who are most on message and the best public face. These are the people who should wander over to monitor any public contact and especially any official interaction. You cannot afford to be confrontational but should know your stuff...
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Re: Open Carry Litter Clean Up & Friendly Gathering

Postby photogpat on Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:24 am

plblark wrote:
ronin069 wrote:Coming off of the near-favorable Strib article this week, our Anti friends would give almost anything to knock us down a bit...


When doing activism or representing a cause of any kind, there are some guidelines from successful events and activists:

1) Only ONE type of activism at a time.
Decide WHICH TYPE of activism for WHICH cause and ruthlessly eliminate any linkage to ANY other cause or group.
This keeps your supporters, opposition, those on the sideline, and most importantly YOU from getting confused about your motives and goals. You can't help your connection to Cop Block and shouldn't be ashamed of it. It's something you feel strongly about. Posting / hosting the video, audio, and pictures of a non-Cop Block event on the Cop-Block page / site / etc confuses people.

2) Communicate clearly and effectively
In essence what you're trying to do here is to normalize OC behavior.

What is your message? - It's no big deal folks, we're regular people doing something lawful.
Try to remove anything that would distract from the message or allow the opposition or audience to get sidetracked. It's not enough to be RIGHT, you have to be able to communicate it in a manner that people will leave better informed or with a better opinion of your cause. Simple, concise, well documented, calmly presented, Normalized, safe, rational, non-threatening. The more common sense you can present it the better.

What is your target audience?
You have several different layers and levels of people who will be taking this in:
The general public: Don't think about guns, generally believe the news and movies, are uncomfortable with people with guns. They often project their fears and motives onto you. Most of their experience with guns is incorrect or through examples of illegal behavior, not law abiding gun owners as good people.
Gun Owners: often mistake "shall not be infringed" as long as they can still hunt and don't get the bear arms part.
Permit holders: OC is a minority in the permit holder world. Most are discrete and choose to conceal. The Permit system is new enough to remember how we got here. It took a long time and careful planning to gain what we have without a lot of restrictions and bad legal language. You're making waves. Sometimes that leads to change and sometimes that change is good. That's not always the way to bet without careful consideration

3) Be the BEST example of the cause you can
This is mostly common sense and not giving the opposition any ammunition. You're probably the first OC group most people you meet have seen. Leave a good impression.

Cleanest
When doing activism: Dress more conservatively, put on clean crisp clothes. Pay attention to grooming: Do I need a haircut? Shower and shave right before heading out. etc... I'm not saying you're a slob. I'm saying that in any group, there's that one guy the rest would prefer had stayed home. Don't be the stereotype showing up in ratty and tattered camo clothes and the stars and bars.

Best informed
No matter who you interact with, you have to KNOW the facts, the law, and your message. Then you have to be able to CONSISTENTLY and CLEARLY communicate it. IT'S MY RIGHT is NOT effective communication. Tactical Timmy is NOT effective communication.

Most Polite
Those nice guys with an odd habit leaves a much different impression than those jerks who were right and "technically" legal.

Safest
Don't touch the guns. Murphy loves a practical joke and he has a sick sense of humor. Wear a comfortable stable holster on a good belt.
Retention holsters would be a good idea.
Be aware of your muzzle. Think how you bend and where the muzzle is pointing.Even gunnies who KNOW it's safe when holstered don't like to look down the muzzle. Shoulder holsters would be a BAD idea.

While it's essential for EVERYONE at the event to follow the guidelines above and to KNOW THEIR STUFF, The most successful events I've been to had "event Marshals" or "Point people" - those who are most on message and the best public face. These are the people who should wander over to monitor any public contact and especially any official interaction. You cannot afford to be confrontational but should know your stuff...


Bookmarked!!!
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Re: Open Carry Litter Clean Up & Friendly Gathering

Postby GunGoogler on Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:41 am

photogpat wrote:
plblark wrote:
ronin069 wrote:Coming off of the near-favorable Strib article this week, our Anti friends would give almost anything to knock us down a bit...


When doing activism or representing a cause of any kind, there are some guidelines from successful events and activists:

1) Only ONE type of activism at a time.
Decide WHICH TYPE of activism for WHICH cause and ruthlessly eliminate any linkage to ANY other cause or group.
This keeps your supporters, opposition, those on the sideline, and most importantly YOU from getting confused about your motives and goals. You can't help your connection to Cop Block and shouldn't be ashamed of it. It's something you feel strongly about. Posting / hosting the video, audio, and pictures of a non-Cop Block event on the Cop-Block page / site / etc confuses people.

2) Communicate clearly and effectively
In essence what you're trying to do here is to normalize OC behavior.

What is your message? - It's no big deal folks, we're regular people doing something lawful.
Try to remove anything that would distract from the message or allow the opposition or audience to get sidetracked. It's not enough to be RIGHT, you have to be able to communicate it in a manner that people will leave better informed or with a better opinion of your cause. Simple, concise, well documented, calmly presented, Normalized, safe, rational, non-threatening. The more common sense you can present it the better.

What is your target audience?
You have several different layers and levels of people who will be taking this in:
The general public: Don't think about guns, generally believe the news and movies, are uncomfortable with people with guns. They often project their fears and motives onto you. Most of their experience with guns is incorrect or through examples of illegal behavior, not law abiding gun owners as good people.
Gun Owners: often mistake "shall not be infringed" as long as they can still hunt and don't get the bear arms part.
Permit holders: OC is a minority in the permit holder world. Most are discrete and choose to conceal. The Permit system is new enough to remember how we got here. It took a long time and careful planning to gain what we have without a lot of restrictions and bad legal language. You're making waves. Sometimes that leads to change and sometimes that change is good. That's not always the way to bet without careful consideration

3) Be the BEST example of the cause you can
This is mostly common sense and not giving the opposition any ammunition. You're probably the first OC group most people you meet have seen. Leave a good impression.

Cleanest
When doing activism: Dress more conservatively, put on clean crisp clothes. Pay attention to grooming: Do I need a haircut? Shower and shave right before heading out. etc... I'm not saying you're a slob. I'm saying that in any group, there's that one guy the rest would prefer had stayed home. Don't be the stereotype showing up in ratty and tattered camo clothes and the stars and bars.

Best informed
No matter who you interact with, you have to KNOW the facts, the law, and your message. Then you have to be able to CONSISTENTLY and CLEARLY communicate it. IT'S MY RIGHT is NOT effective communication. Tactical Timmy is NOT effective communication.

Most Polite
Those nice guys with an odd habit leaves a much different impression than those jerks who were right and "technically" legal.

Safest
Don't touch the guns. Murphy loves a practical joke and he has a sick sense of humor. Wear a comfortable stable holster on a good belt.
Retention holsters would be a good idea.
Be aware of your muzzle. Think how you bend and where the muzzle is pointing.Even gunnies who KNOW it's safe when holstered don't like to look down the muzzle. Shoulder holsters would be a BAD idea.

While it's essential for EVERYONE at the event to follow the guidelines above and to KNOW THEIR STUFF, The most successful events I've been to had "event Marshals" or "Point people" - those who are most on message and the best public face. These are the people who should wander over to monitor any public contact and especially any official interaction. You cannot afford to be confrontational but should know your stuff...


Bookmarked!!!


Ditto.

This should almost be a sticky or reference for anyone considering hosting this type of event.
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Re: Open Carry Litter Clean Up & Friendly Gathering

Postby jshuberg on Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:45 am

plblark wrote:[Some of the best advice I've seen posted in awhile.]

Bravo Zulu! Thanks for taking the time to post this. Permission to reproduce this as a handout?
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Re: Open Carry Litter Clean Up & Friendly Gathering

Postby Shipyard on Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:53 am

Bender wrote:
Audible Chocolate wrote:Nice to have an account on this forum finally. Just haven't gotten to it sooner.


Well, actually you already have an account on this forum as well as other local forums.

User banned for violating forum rules re: multiple accounts.



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Re: Open Carry Litter Clean Up & Friendly Gathering

Postby Thunder71 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:55 am

Well that was fun, now what do we do?

Anyone bring up carrying without one in the pipe lately? :shock:
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