Smith and Wesson M&P15...

[promod1385]

I have had low grade AR's (Olympia), mid grade (DPMS) and my current rifle is a mix of LMT, BCM, and a DPMS barrel.

I will say they all did fine for 3gun work, and the occasional coyote hunt. The Olympia was the most accurate of the three (it was however a 20" HBAR and all the others are 16's) and with the addition of a BCM bolt group it ran like a top! I certainly wouldnt poo poo on milspec. Everything BCM does is milspec and I have zero complaints with the fifteen or twenty items I have from them.

Its easy to say " Colt's suck! My cousin carried an AR in the sandbox and it malfunctioned" but your really comparing apples to horse apples in that situation (especially compared to new mass market AR's), you have no history with the rifle in question and your cousin likely doesn't have any history on the rifle beyond when it was issued to him.

The quality of an AR is in direct correlation to the sum of its parts. I would look at a builder you trust, feed it good ammo, lubricate it with Slip 2k, and run the damn thing until it stops working!

I saw two guys show up with fresh out of the box RRA's Operators and shoot a 3gun event. By the end of stage two they were both asking me to borrow lube and show them how to use it. Gas guns like to run wet, keep that in mind!

[Pinnacle]

viewtopic.php?f=49&t=32066

Case closed.

Oh and thanks for the AR lecture on how they work and what I don't know. And yes Colts suck for the money, you can do a lot better.

[dsm2nr]

http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=32066

Case closed.

Oh and thanks for the AR lecture on how they work and what I don't know. And yes Colts suck for the money, you can do a lot better.

[Pinnacle]

[quote="dsm2nr
Btw, you must not have seen the Colt CM901 or 6940 (monolithic rails) 6940P (piston gun) or IAR if you think there's no innovation.[/quote]

That is not innovation - that is an example of another "Me too" manufacturer trying, and poorly, to stay relevant.

[Pinnacle]

Anyone paying attention to the MARSOC 1911 Rail First Article test? By the way the winner was Colt. And by the way their FAT articles are failing. Another massive hit for Colt.

Not bashing Colt but 12000 rounds and critical failures? Amscor could do better.

[gman1868]

I like my M&P 15, light, durable, accurate, nice trigger.

[Shawski]

I've had my bushmaster for 8 years and it's been trouble-free. Granted I haven't left it stock, but it's never given up on me. Really like my SR-556, too. Bit heavier, though. Buy what you think you'll like, you can always add upgrades or sell it.

[rugersol]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/23/colorado-massacre-gunman-entered-theater-ready-to-kill-even-more-source-says/

-- At some point, the gunman transitioned to his other weapons, a .40 Glock pistol and a .223 Smith & Wesson M&P semi-automatic.

-- The shooter had purchased an after-market high-capacity drum clip for the semi-automatic, the source said. Although it gave him the capacity to fire perhaps 100 rounds, it was of inferior quality and might be the reason the shooter's gun jammed. Authorities found live .223 ammunition on the theater floor, possibly resulting from him yanking off the drum to try to clear the jam, or possibly from a "catastrophic failure" of the drum's feed mechanism.

-- The .223 rounds he was firing were armor-piercing.

[Hmac]

I've had my bushmaster for 8 years and it's been trouble-free. Granted I haven't left it stock, but it's never given up on me. Really like my SR-556, too. Bit heavier, though. Buy what you think you'll like, you can always add upgrades or sell it.

How many rounds do you put through it in the course of a year? IOW, how hard to you push it? Tell me that you've done a couple of 2000-round 3-day carbine courses with it and I'll rethink my observation that ALL Bushmasters are suspect as to quality.

[Shawski]

I've never done a carbine course. Don't even know where they do them. But I've done plenty of 500-1000 round days at my buddy's farm with it. Didn't clean it for long stretches either. And ran it dry a lot. When I had a stainless barrel put on it(nothing wrong with the original barrel, wanted something more accurate), they asked me if it ever quit on me. I said "No, why?" Apparently they hadn't seen too many ARs that were as crusty as mine was on the inside. I'm not touting the as the best around, I'm just relating my experience. I think any brand of AR will do just fine for the majority of people. You get what you pay for.

[Pinnacle]

I've never done a carbine course. Don't even know where they do them. But I've done plenty of 500-1000 round days at my buddy's farm with it. Didn't clean it for long stretches either. And ran it dry a lot. When I had a stainless barrel put on it(nothing wrong with the original barrel, wanted something more accurate), they asked me if it ever quit on me. I said "No, why?" Apparently they hadn't seen too many ARs that were as crusty as mine was on the inside. I'm not touting the as the best around, I'm just relating my experience. I think any brand of AR will do just fine for the majority of people. You get what you pay for.

I would not want to protect MY family with something that will do "For Most Shooters"

You buy the BEST piece of equipment possible - period.

[Hmac]

I've never done a carbine course. Don't even know where they do them. But I've done plenty of 500-1000 round days at my buddy's farm with it. Didn't clean it for long stretches either. And ran it dry a lot. When I had a stainless barrel put on it(nothing wrong with the original barrel, wanted something more accurate), they asked me if it ever quit on me. I said "No, why?" Apparently they hadn't seen too many ARs that were as crusty as mine was on the inside. I'm not touting the as the best around, I'm just relating my experience. I think any brand of AR will do just fine for the majority of people. You get what you pay for.

Hmmm....I might observe that a High Point pistol will likely do just fine for the majority of shooters.

[Shawski]

Sometimes the best isn't in somebody's budget. Pump shotgun works for my house. They always work

[Shawski]

Hi-Points work?

[Pinnacle]

Sometimes the best isn't in somebody's budget. Pump shotgun works for my house. They always work

And we have a winner...

870 is the FIRST thing that I grab when something goes bump in the night.