14 dead, 50 wounded at Colorado Theater during Dark Knight

[xd ED]

That to me is worth it. As It affects me very little

Then give them a list of your weapons, but leave me out of it.

I understand that not everyone agrees with me. It's not that big of a deal. I learned some new insights on what you and the other members have said and you are right it makes perfect sense. I'm not an illogical gun control activist. With what everyone said yes a national registry isn't a good idea. But I still think that the private sale loophole needs to be closed. If it prevents one or two badguys from getting their guns to me its worth it. I understand some people like Holmes just want to see the world burn and nothing I stated could have prevented what he did. I already said that was true earlier..


I'm not an inflexible person that refuses to change his mind. I do think that more people need to carry. If two or three people in the theater had their weapons on them the death toll might have been lessened, including the fact Holmes was wearing full riot gear. If anything and I'm sure all of us can agree that kind of stuff should be banned in general. Make it absolutely illegal for anyone to posses that. Think about it, once again I'm probably seen as a moron but really? Do you need riot gear and ballistic resistant gear in your daily life? Unless you plan on getting into some sort of shootout.. (Playing Devils Advocate again)


Banning guns is never the answer.. It's in our history and its a part of the american tradition.

Also to point out I did was Obama's address today live on TV and to his credit not once did he mention the word "Gun" Please Discuss..

But I still think that the private sale loophole needs to be closed. If it prevents one or two badguys from getting their guns to me its worth it. I understand some people like Holmes just want to see the world burn and nothing I stated could have prevented what he did. I already said that was true earlier..

Describe this "...private sale loophole..." you speak of, the general terms of the law you would propose, and how it would prevent a law breaker from attaining a firearm through illicit means.

Obama's address today live on TV and to his credit not once did he mention the word "Gun" Please Discuss

The only way he could have used the word "gun" would be if it were preceded, or succeeded by the word 'control'. He understands that among his base, he would loose far more than any gain he might incur.

[bstrawse]

It saddens me to see the reaction of the Aurora Massacre by the media and politicians. Not surprisingly they are calling for more gun control. The other side of the gun debate is calling for more guns. I would like to offer a third option. By banning weapons in certain public and "private but open to the public" places these maniacs have choices for the location of their mayhem. I propose that "gun free zones" be banned. This will cause these evil people to think twice about their invincibility. No one has ever shot up a gun range. I think more guns/ no guns is not and has never been the answer. The answer lies in our Bill of Rights, FREEDOM. Criminals are not courageous heros. They are cowards. And if they know that everywhere they go, there is the likely chance that someone else will have a gun. They will not be as likely to destroy lives. Just my opinion.

Require all Private sales to use the instant NICS system with a 1800number. If buyer or seller refuses to do so. It should become a federal offense. It still keeps guns in good people's hands.. It'll will keep the obvious badguys from having them less. I know it'll do very little if anything to stopped what happened. But I think it's a great idea for us good and sane people to keep what we want.

Knowing this place I will get at but we still have ours at the end of the day. Whats the big deal?

If it does nothing to reduce crime - what's the purpose for the law?

[The Lance]

Well it would make people realize they can't sell guns to just anyone and badguys will have to work harder to get their weapons..


Its not like what I stated is completely dumb. Every single member on here probably would like to see a ptp to sell someone a firearm.What I am suggesting is just an extension as that. Will it solve all the issues including what Holmes did?

Nope.. but its better then doing nothing..


This idea isn't as dumb as the 1994 assault weapons and clip ban.. That was passed by our govt and clearly was a dumber idea then this.

Doing something to attempt to ease a situation is still better then nothing at all.. Clearly my stance is still better then the misguided anti gun people. Who are probably doing more or attempting to do more then us

[The Lance]

Well it would make people realize they can't sell guns to just anyone and badguys will have to work harder to get their weapons..


Its not like what I stated is completely dumb. Every single member on here probably would like to see a ptp to sell someone a firearm.What I am suggesting is just an extension as that. Will it solve all the issues including what Holmes did?

Nope.. but its better then doing nothing..


This idea isn't as dumb as the 1994 assault weapons and clip ban.. That was passed by our govt and clearly was a dumber idea then this.

Doing something to attempt to ease a situation is still better then nothing at all.. Clearly my stance is still better then the misguided anti gun people. Who are probably doing more or attempting to do more then us

[redaudi]

the criminals who have guns still aren't going to.give a ****, and will sell them to other criminals anyway. your idea is flawed on the basis of your assumption that criminals who give zero **** about what's illegal and what's not are suddenly going to start caring because there is now another law that they never were going to follow anyway.

[JJ]

Well it would make people realize they can't sell guns to just anyone and badguys will have to work harder to get their weapons..


Its not like what I stated is completely dumb. Every single member on here probably would like to see a ptp to sell someone a firearm.What I am suggesting is just an extension as that. Will it solve all the issues including what Holmes did?

Nope.. but its better then doing nothing..


This idea isn't as dumb as the 1994 assault weapons and clip ban.. That was passed by our govt and clearly was a dumber idea then this.

Doing something to attempt to ease a situation is still better then nothing at all.. Clearly my stance is still better then the misguided anti gun people. Who are probably doing more or attempting to do more then us

Actually it's worse than doing nothing.

In your world, would it be reasonable to ban all car sales because Joe numbnutz gets loaded and wipes out a family of four? Because banning ALL car sales would be better than doing nothing.

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Unfortunately, this sort of thing is becoming more frequent. Society has become desensitized to immoral behavior in mainstream entertainment. Young, impressionable and mentally fragile people are having a hard time differentiating between fiction and reality.

My thoughts, prayers and sympathy go to the families of the victims and the survivors themselves. This is a horrific event.



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[45Badger]

Lance, to your earlier post about registry - Ask all the reasonable folks in California how the reasonable "assault weapons registry" worked out for them. A couple years after they were registered, they were banned and owners had the reasonable choice of selling them out of state or turning them in.

Well it would make people realize they can't sell guns to just anyone and badguys will have to work harder to get their weapons..

How so?

Its not like what I stated is completely dumb. Every single member on here probably would like to see a ptp to sell someone a firearm.What I am suggesting is just an extension as that.

There are several of us here who only want to glance at your driver license to verify ID and state residency. There are several more of us who don;lt even want to be bothered by that.

Will it solve all the issues including what Holmes did? Nope.. but its better then doing nothing.

You seem to think we or you ought to do something. I don't feel the need to "do" anything about the issue

Doing something to attempt to ease a situation is still better then nothing at all.

Again, that pesky need to do "something".

You are welcome to do what you want with your private property. My private property is none of your business, not your problem, and will never cause you harm. Please keep your hands off, and keep your need to "do something" confined to your own property and family.

What happened today is a serious tragedy. Nothing you have proposed would have prevented it. Much of what you have proposed would threaten my property rights. Please stop.

[jspace]

I just want to throw this out there before I forget it; does anyone else feel like they would need to itemize everything they own to add to the national "weapons" registry?

4xSteak knives, red handle
1xRemington 870 Exp., SN XXXXXXX
2xRocks, 12lb
1xEric Clapton, Slowhand because I saw them using LPs to fend off zombies in Shaun of the Dead

Am I wrong?

Edit: Grammar.

[goalie]

Lance wants to "feel" safe. He doesn't understand that to many people freedom is much more important than"security." Especially false security.

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[Nat]

Despite the tragedy, we need to remain rational and remember- we are safer now than we have been in a long time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

Despite the 24 hour news cycle, and terrible vulture like reporters interviewing screaming, crying victims in front of the theater they were almost killed in - we're safer than at any point in my life. Sure- television news is going to play this over and over until people who still watch television develop a neurosis about guns, open places, and loud noises - but that irrational fear has little basis in fact. it's a reaction to a news machine that gets paid for advertising - not for reporting.

On the exact same day ten times as many people died from being unable to afford medical treatment

It's not the guns I find scary

EDIT: also- the following

[redaudi]

the lance sounds dangerously like a politician.

'this won't be so bad, it won't change anything. don't worry. trust me'...

[GARAGE DWELLER]

Whats wrong with a national gun registry? Are you that afraid the our freedoms are just an illusion and the govt will one day take my glock 19 from me?



Am I insane for believing that? I love guns... I do.. I don't want my guns to go anywhere. It is my right to have them. But I don't want the bad guys to have them period.

I understand that what I said might not have helped today's case. But it would shut the moronic gun control people up a bit and a while.

That to me is worth it. As It affects me very little

Give an inch they take a foot. Reading this reminded me of a clip I just watched, It could affected you a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

[Pezhead]

So if I where to buy a gun from a board member and didn't show my permit that's bad?
Criminals don't obey laws.
Wasn't a cops gun stolen from his car recently?

[Snakeman721]

In all this talk about the tragedy, I was wondering what would happen if I were in that theater. A lot of people here said they would have grabbed their conceal carry gun and blasted back. Since I don't have my PTC yet, I thought about this for a while. One question keeps popping in my head. Why did NO ONE ever try tackling the A-hole? All the sheeple in the theater either ran, ducked down in the aisles, or sat and got shot. I'm sorry, but if you were in the first or second row and the person two or three seats from you just got shot, are you going to sit there and wait for your turn? Get up, run, and get shot in the back? NO ONE rushed this guy. Not even when he was going up the stairs and people where still on the floor between seats hiding. SOMEONE could have easily came up from behind and tackled him... like the heroes in AZ and the Gabby Gifford shooting. Sad state of affairs when the general public can't/won't defend themselves from imminent death.