Carry at the mall.

[texasprowler]

Given the current right leaning MN gov't, is there any hope to fix some of the issues with the mppa, or is there a dominating fear of messing with it so as not to risk losing gains?

Also, I am very curious what the practical purpose is for requiring address registration each time one moves. I understand it is a crime to not do so, but what harm is done? The reasons for current address on a drivers license don't apply.

[bstrawse]

Given the current right leaning MN gov't, is there any hope to fix some of the issues with the mppa, or is there a dominating fear of messing with it so as not to risk losing gains?

Also, I am very curious what the practical purpose is for requiring address registration each time one moves. I understand it is a crime to not do so, but what harm is done? The reasons for current address on a drivers license don't apply.

What are the issues you'd like to see addressed?

[texasprowler]

To start, repeal the address requirement, I feel like a sex offender or felon on probation. Registration must be done in person in the old county rather than the new county that you moved to, which seems odd, and is an inconvenience, especially if one resides in Texas.
Then fix the confusion about whether safety training must be in MN or other satisfactory training is acceptable. That one cost me 900 bucks to resolve..
To reverse the crime first, then exception aspect would be nice.
List to follow......

[Roon]

I guess once they define "reasonable restrictions" to mean "carrying a gun is reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed" then you would be correct. I have a feeling it will be a cold day in hell before that happens due to the implications such a ruling would have throughout the realm of lawful activities.

My main point being, if you do not have STRICT controls on what officers can and can not do(No gut feeling nonsense), you end up with the TSA and fusion centers and all sorts of nonsense. Being a cop is a tough job and I have nothing but respect for them, but the cold hard truth of the matter is that it is not a citizens job to make an officers life easier. The Constitution is in place for a reason and that is to control the power of government and its agents (Cops.).

What's the issue with Fusion Centers?
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Is that a serious question?

A governmental body with no oversight collecting data and creating files on Americans based on who knows what? You don't see a problem with that?

[sgruenhagen44]

Whooo! Disregard signs and shop as I please!!

[bstrawse]

[quote="Roon"Is that a serious question?

A governmental body with no oversight collecting data and creating files on Americans based on who knows what? You don't see a problem with that?[/quote]

I don't see the issues that you are talking about. No oversight? They have oversight at both a state and federal level. What are you talking about?
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[Roon]

[quote="Roon"Is that a serious question?

A governmental body with no oversight collecting data and creating files on Americans based on who knows what? You don't see a problem with that?

I don't see the issues that you are talking about. No oversight? They have oversight at both a state and federal level. What are you talking about?
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They do? Thats news to me. Or perhaps you are referring to the "Oversight board" which is nothing more than people from the groups participating in the Fusion Center. I am talking about independent or Congressional oversight of some kind. Of this kind of oversight they have none.

[bstrawse]

[quote="Roon"Is that a serious question?

A governmental body with no oversight collecting data and creating files on Americans based on who knows what? You don't see a problem with that?

I don't see the issues that you are talking about. No oversight? They have oversight at both a state and federal level. What are you talking about?
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They do? Thats news to me. Or perhaps you are referring to the "Oversight board" which is nothing more than people from the groups participating in the Fusion Center. I am talking about independent or Congressional oversight of some kind. Of this kind of oversight they have none.[/quote]

No, I'm talking about Congressional and State oversight. I'm wondering why you think they don't have any.

The DHS sanctioned fusion centers (like MNJAC here in Minnesota) have to follow DHS policies - which have Congressional oversight through various Congressional Committees. They're also subject to the federal FOIA law. There are also DHS personnel assigned to many fusion centers, such as the one here in Minnesota.

Here in Minnesota, they are also subject to state oversight (they are part of the MN Department of Public Safety) and thus subject to legislative oversight - and they're also subject to the Minnesota Government Data Practices Act.

I think you're operating from the assumption that they are just out there creating secret files in an unaccountable manner - and while I think there are opportunities in how fusion centers are structured and operated - I don't think they have the opportunities that you're outlining.

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[Roon]

No, I'm talking about Congressional and State oversight. I'm wondering why you think they don't have any.

The DHS sanctioned fusion centers (like MNJAC here in Minnesota) have to follow DHS policies - which have Congressional oversight through various Congressional Committees. They're also subject to the federal FOIA law. There are also DHS personnel assigned to many fusion centers, such as the one here in Minnesota.

Is there a DHS policy for every eventuality? That is to vague for me to feel comfortable. I would love to have congressional readouts and testimonies about fusion center activity on a scheduled basis. That is somewhat decent oversight if you ask me. Having DHS personnel assigned to them is not at all comforting, it is an unnecessary government agency that quite frankly should go away. The DHS is responsible for the TSA, the track record of the DHS is not a good one.

Here in Minnesota, they are also subject to state oversight (they are part of the MN Department of Public Safety) and thus subject to legislative oversight - and they're also subject to the Minnesota Government Data Practices Act.

What specific legislative oversight is there?