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Appleseed rifle training... any range or shooters available

Postby Magnum Wheel Man on Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:30 am

so... I was never properly trained to shoot iron sights, & in my quest for improving my rifle skills, myself & 2 other fellow Minnesotans made the treck to Searsboro IA for 2 days of training... my buds were shooting rifles with scopes, & while I certainly could have shot better using a scoped rifle I'd become more familiar with, it was said that I'd get more out of the course with iron sights...

... we all found it very interesting, & learned alot... classes were held at the rifle range in Searsboro IA, started Sat. at 8:30am, & went on until almost 6:00 pm, & continued on Sun. from 8:30 am until about 5:00 pm... the cost of the training was very reasonable, at $70.00 per person ( for the 2 day training ) by the end of day 2, we ( our group ) had qualified 2 students as "rifleman" using AQT targets, shooting at 25 meters, with targets simulating distances to 400 meters... the training is put on by the Reveloutionary War Veterans Association, & we are expected to fire around 400 rounds over the 2 days... we had 4 instructors present for th 14 shooters attending the training, so there was a high instructor to student ratio... for children & current military attenance is free

none of us from Minnesota qualified, so we are looking at trying it again... ( the reason for my post... looking for a closer range to host the training ;) )... at Searsboro, we each paid a $5.00 per day range fee, so any ranges interested in hosting a training session, could still get daily range fees for the use of the range... there is no minimum attendance, & they have never run a course in MN, but would like to

I'll post a few links... are any of you guys interested ???

http://www.appleseedinfo.org/as_schedule.htm
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Re: Applessed rifle training... any range or shooters available

Postby TC95GT on Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:39 am

I had planned on going to Searsboro but due to somethings coming up I could not make it. I had my LTR pretty much ready to go too. Good to hear it was a positive experience for you.

It would be nice to find a range closer to host a shoot.
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Re: Applessed rifle training... any range or shooters available

Postby Magnum Wheel Man on Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:53 am

The range...

me in the orange camo... shooting my Tech Sight equiped 10-22

instructors on both ends
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Re: Appleseed rifle training... any range or shooters available

Postby meltedeyes on Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:51 am

A friends of mine did an Appleseed in Wisconson last year and had a blast. If there's one around here I'm definitely up for a weekend of abusing my shoulder.
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Re: Appleseed rifle training... any range or shooters available

Postby Ironbear on Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:36 am

I've seen stuff about the Appleseed shoots and been interested. If one was put on locally, I would try to make it.
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Re: Appleseed rifle training... any range or shooters available

Postby Squib Joe on Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:28 pm

I assume it has to be an outdoor range?
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Re: Appleseed rifle training... any range or shooters available

Postby Magnum Wheel Man on Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:34 pm

I guess I don't see anything they did that would keep an indoor range from being usable, provided enough shooters could shoot at the same time ??? & there was space enough to do standing, sitting, & prone positions through out the training...

we could certainly ask...

BTW... it was very windy there over the weekend... I'm betting several more students would have qualified if there was little to no wind to deal with...
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Re: Appleseed rifle training... any range or shooters available

Postby hammAR on Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:01 pm

Magnum Wheel Man wrote:BTW... it was very windy there over the weekend... I'm betting several more students would have qualified if there was little to no wind to deal with...


That's the difference between a rifleman and a target shooter....................eat the wind :twisted:
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Re: Appleseed rifle training... any range or shooters available

Postby TC95GT on Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:07 pm

Magnum Wheel Man wrote:I guess I don't see anything they did that would keep an indoor range from being usable, provided enough shooters could shoot at the same time ??? & there was space enough to do standing, sitting, & prone positions through out the training...

we could certainly ask...

I will post the question on the appleseed website and see if they have any recommendations.
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Re: Appleseed rifle training... any range or shooters available

Postby JohninMinnesota on Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:17 pm

I am checking to see if they would come up to Waverly and do a session here... I will put it out for the club members to get approval if the Appleseed folks are interested in doing one here, and let you know what happens.
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Re: Appleseed rifle training... any range or shooters available

Postby JohninMinnesota on Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:04 pm

I have all the information and will present it at our next club meeting (July 7th) to see if we can host it. If we decide to, we'll have to get a date figured out and I will post the event here...

Sounds like fun :)
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Re: Appleseed rifle training... any range or shooters available

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:06 pm

Wow, you shot rifles at 25 whole meters, I'm thoroughly unimpressed.

Why not take up NRA Highpower where the real men (and women) play at ranges from 200 to 600 yards?

MRRA Highpower.

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This one I put together for the MRRA.
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While I admire the idea of the Appleseed Project, every man a Rifleman, anyone who comes to me claiming to be a "Rifleman" who has qualified at only 25 meters is going to be mocked, that is after I get back up off the ground from laughing my a.. off.
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Re: Appleseed rifle training... any range or shooters available

Postby TC95GT on Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:08 am

Why all the hate?

The OP simply said he had never been trained on iron sights and wanted to learn more so he went to an Appleseed shoot. He said he had fun with his buddies and learned something. So why make fun of it?

Isn't the whole premis of Appleseed being able to hit a man sized target at 500 yards? I realize it's not NRA Highpower but I don't think it is meant to be. Reading the web site I get the impression they really want to provide an avenue for people to pick up a rifle and learn the very basics of shooting and some American history. Nothing more.

Reading throught some of the posts it appears the 25m distance is just a place to start at the two day shoot. If the range has the room then the second day they move out to the longer distances. If not, they still shoot at 25m.

I've read a few discussions about additional training after going to Appleseed and many times the recommendation of NRA Highpower was suggested.

Maybe it's the term Rifleman you have a problem with?
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Re: Appleseed rifle training... any range or shooters available

Postby Magnum Wheel Man on Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:50 am

... the bulk of the shooting is done at 25 meters, with reduced size targets, to simulate the extended distance, mostly to expidite the training ( before attending, I didn't see how just making the targets smaller would effectively simulate extended distance )... but it works... I found myself adjusting my front sight post several clicks ( on my Tech Sight equiped 10-22 ), to keep the shots more in the center ( higher scoring rings ) of the targets... BTW... I also shoot 45-70, 338 Win Mag, 375 H&H... so the 10-22 was an economical decision on my part, not some extension of my lack of manlyness...

the bulk of the score's points comes from the last stage of the AQT targets, 5 minutes to fire 10 rounds, at 25 meters, into 4 - 1.5" triangular shaped targets ( simulate a shoulders up human profile head shot )...

I've never been formally trained, but have shot for a long time, I regularly shoot ( at my own private 300 yard rifle & pistol range... almost always off the bench, & I can usually hold my own "off the bench" ) & I learned a lot at the shoot I just went to, I highly recommend them... BTW... even though I regularly shoot 300 yards off the bench, I have never shot standing, or sitting "unsupported", & have rarely ever shot prone... then toss in timed transition from standing to siting or prone... oh... BTW... I learned the sling "also" works to carry your rifle ;)

even though my rifle functioned as well as any there, & I can hold my own, off the bench, sitting cross legged, with my elbows s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d... as close as a fat old man could get to mid shin, for support, lets just say my sitting scores were dismal

... going into it, I expected at least 2 out of 3 of us would qualify, as we are all shooters & hunters... none of the 3 of us did ( Dan got close the 2nd day though )... but he also did lose the bet ( we made a bet on the last qualifying target of the 1st day, that low score between the 3 of us, got the roll away bed, back at the motel )... they have no trouble moving "qualifyed" shooters to the longer ranges, but if you can't hit the broad side of the barn at 25 meters, then it does no one any good to go to 200-300 meters, it just takes longer...

... I think anyone who disses the program aught to put up or shut up... I thought ( as a pretty heavily practiced bench shooter ) that I'd have no trouble qualifying as a rifleman... now I have alot more respect for anyone who has qualified, & it'll mean even more to me when / if I qualify...

also... the cost of training was an extremely good value...

BTW... anyone who walks in with an attitude to any training weather it's an Appleseed "Rifleman" into an NRA training class, or an NRA "rifleman" ino an Appleseed training program, is just wasteing thier money... I went in to learn, & I did... several of the instructors had obvious military training, & I learned alot, as did the guy next to us, that had previous military training, & was attending his 2nd Appleseed shoot, & still had not made "rifleman"

BTW#2... RIP... if you seriously bust out rolling on the floor because I show up at training you are putting on, after / if I finally get my "riflemans" patch, I'll get up & walk out, fully believing it was a dis service to both of us... the 2nd person to qualify at Searsboro, was an NRA instructor, & it took him untill 1/2 way through the 2nd day to qualify... at 25 meters
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Re: Appleseed rifle training... any range or shooters available

Postby Pinnacle on Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:38 pm

TC95GT wrote:Why all the hate?

The OP simply said he had never been trained on iron sights and wanted to learn more so he went to an Appleseed shoot. He said he had fun with his buddies and learned something. So why make fun of it?

Isn't the whole premis of Appleseed being able to hit a man sized target at 500 yards? I realize it's not NRA Highpower but I don't think it is meant to be. Reading the web site I get the impression they really want to provide an avenue for people to pick up a rifle and learn the very basics of shooting and some American history. Nothing more.

Reading throught some of the posts it appears the 25m distance is just a place to start at the two day shoot. If the range has the room then the second day they move out to the longer distances. If not, they still shoot at 25m.

I've read a few discussions about additional training after going to Appleseed and many times the recommendation of NRA Highpower was suggested.

Maybe it's the term Rifleman you have a problem with?


Because anything more is not applicable to the person that wants to protect themselves with a rifle.
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