worth it? SRM Model 1216 semi-auto 12 gauge

[goett047]

So you are allowed to derail a thread but not others?

He certainly does like to bark orders, doesn't he?

Almost like he's using reverse psychology...clever little troll

[Stradawhovious]

So you are allowed to derail a thread but not others?

He certainly does like to bark orders, doesn't he?

Almost like he's using reverse psychology...clever little troll

Careful.... We're sidetracking. We were ordered not to do that.

[goett047]

Good point. The only shotgun I'd pay that kinda cash for would be a Browning or Beretta O/U. Now if I had the money I'd be happy to drop a lot more than that on a Perazzi, Krieghoff, Etc

[Stradawhovious]

Good point. The only shotgun I'd pay that kinda cash for would be a Browning or Beretta O/U. Now if I had the money I'd be happy to drop a lot more than that on a Perazzi, Krieghoff, Etc

I'd want a SxS 8 guage.

With a Hemi.

[goett047]

I, believe it or not, like my shoulder.

[Lunchbox]

Good point. The only shotgun I'd pay that kinda cash for would be a Browning or Beretta O/U. Now if I had the money I'd be happy to drop a lot more than that on a Perazzi, Krieghoff, Etc

I'd want a SxS 8 guage.

With a Hemi.

Why don't you call it good and get a punt gun?

Oh wait you said with a hemi...

[tazdevil]

I, believe it or not, like my shoulder.

Wooussies, shoulder up a 2 gauge, then talk to me about shoulder pain.

[falgore]

I've used a modified Saiga 12 for varmint (pigeon) killing. I would in no way call this hunting. This is a modified for open division (3 gun) with 12 or 20 round stick mags- as long as the mag well is tight, and you are using a shell with enough pressure to work the action, its absolutely reliable. But it requires continuous preventative maintenance.

I have shot 40 some pigeons out of one flock with this gun (takes a mag change or two) so I think it works pretty well. On the other hand, fully loaded its pretty near 10-11#. Trying to swing something with 2 boxes of shells hanging from it doesn't work real well, either.

I know lots of 3 gun shooters are getting the rotary tube mag extensions as well now. Near as I can tell, they all require a little playing with to get the bugs worked out, and then they seem to work fine. This is the first I have seen of a replaceable mag rotary mag. I personally think that kind of gun is liable to give you more trouble than it is worth, especially now that there is a Remington 1100 style internal box mag shotgun out now.

Way back when I would put extended mag tubes on my pheasant guns, take extra clips with deer hunting, etc. It always caused more trouble than it was worth. The ammo made noise in the gun, the thing was heavy, and I didn't really kill any more birds than I did without the contraptions. Also, your buddies get a little annoyed that it takes you 5 minutes to unload and reload at every fence you have to cross.

Given the primary attribute of a self defense gun, all these rube goldberg contraptions are out- it has to be reliable without needing TLC.

I also will leave the area if someone is doing a deer drive. I have been almost shot more times than I would like to count being in the vicinity of these. They are shooting at a running target, generally from the ground, usually with less than absolutely steady guys shooting. Muzzle control is debatable with some of these folks (especially the kids...) You also get lots of wounded deer, which no one seems to find, at least quickly. If I was worried about my meat, I sure as heck would not do drives- adrenalin filled venison with a coloform chaser just does not appeal, and would hardly qualify as healthy table fare. The idea of having a high cap gun so you could clean up on drives is rather poor form, IMO.

sorry to hear that you got shot at by poor form party hunts. just curious was this in MN where blaze orange is mandatory? I never mentioned the thread gun as being the pushers gun, only the ambushers use one. they are the only one needing the extra rounds, especially in high deer populated areas where I live. Our valleys are relatively short so they have not been running long by the time they pass the ambush-er. Cleanup on drive using high capacity guns in a low deer population area, I would agree, We hunt in an over populated area, we are doing our part to reduce the herd size to healthier levels. I am not sure, but our area, may be the area the DNR have been using silencers to reduce herd size. Who knows what happens to that meat.......I would be fuming ,if it was getting wasted and not using the whole animal if it is not sick.

Our strategy was to have 2 on either side 4/5th the way up the slope so if they shoot outwards and back from where we came from. there is no risk if hitting anyone because of shooting into the hillside and we scoped out the area behind us to ensure no hunters there. The only time the pusher fired was when the deer slipped between us, but we do not shoot till they are in the cleared field of fire behind us where we know there are no hunters being that we just walked through the area. Our main job was to push the deer to our ambush-er who had come in from the bottom of the valley so he knows no one is there and if there was one that area is totally off limits and he would position himself with the other hunter to his back with a hill or barrier between them, that area being off limits to firing.(Just in case the idiot hunter tried to shoot in the ambush direction to try and steal the fruit of our labor.) The ambush-er DOES NOT fire in direction of pusher only into the bottom of the valley or where he had scoped coming in. This is a family push so safety was top priority of nailing deer. Pusher also stays in line of site of other pusher and use hand signals to alert the others if there is things like a hunter in our valley, if there is we do not shoot we simply push past them keeping an eye on them as much as looking out for deer. All of us were wearing blaze orange hat and vest with NO browns or camo. viability and to not look the color of deer.

reason mentioned the threads gun, was some of the things about drums being too awkward or long mags hanging out the bottom as you mentioned . And the vids I watched on the drum mag it jammed a lot. My guess is it works better with the magnum rounds than the standard 2 3/4 or the tactical low recoil?? Then we are talking deer hunting not bird shooting or clay pigeons thus no need for swinging, so the bulk is a bit less of a hindrance.. Also the extra weight helps with the follow on shots, due to less recoil for the extra weight. Stays on target. You mentioned noise from an ambush-er point, its less important because he isn't moving, and the deer are running by, so once you lift and fire noise is mute to the point in that the deer are already in full run. Any deer following are going to hear the bang so the shells rattling doesn't really factor. Deer already know where the ambush er are because of the bang.

In a push if only 1 or 2 deer ran by and you used all 16 rounds then yea that is over kill. BUT in those cases using only 5ish total. The extra rounds only come into play when you get 4-5-6 running by and you never know when that may happen, thus being prepared in case.

We aren't doing this for fun, It should never be fun, taking a life, even if its a deer. We do it because we need to eat and we waist none of the deer. Only deer head to be mounted was my father's near perfect ten point buck, where the forward facing tip was off by 2mm in angle. All of the points were the same length of its opposite counterpart, same contours and angles. I use to stare at it, in fascination when I was young wondering to myself, how such perfection was even possible.
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The advantage of removable vs internal is the point you made about taking 5 minutes to load unload. remove the mag and boom its unloaded thus not having to unload retrieve and reload every single shell. Key is refining and working out the bugs to ensure reliability And that is the designers doing.

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What people may not know is, how some of my content can still be on target of the thread topic. Use of examples have parallel correlation to the topic at hand to help drive another point that is on the same line as a thread topic to help others understand the main point. Its a form of debating method. Especially trying to convey a complicated point, that most don't follow due to lack of understanding or lack of knowledge. I did not say anything about lack of intelligence.

[Stradawhovious]

Good point. The only shotgun I'd pay that kinda cash for would be a Browning or Beretta O/U. Now if I had the money I'd be happy to drop a lot more than that on a Perazzi, Krieghoff, Etc

I'd want a SxS 8 guage.

With a Hemi.

Why don't you call it good and get a punt gun?

Oh wait you said with a hemi...

Yep. Hemi.

[Stradawhovious]

The extra rounds only come into play when you get 4-5-6 running by and you never know when that may happen, thus being prepared in case.

Sure you do. You might get a clean shot on the first one, but if you manage to hit any of the others while you are spraying slugs out of this toy, you will probably just end up wounding them as they flee, so they will die a slow horrible death that will take days. And this is assuming, of course, that you are attempting to take 6 deer legally......

Oh yeah... I forgot. you're the crack shot that is going to take deer at 250+ yards with his first slug gun. I'm sure you will get nice clean one shot kills on all 6 as they scatter.



IMHO the only thing more ridiculous than that shotgun (as cool as it may look) is using it for hunting deer. You are either trolling, or just plain ignorant. I'm pretty sure you can guess my vote.

[goett047]

I vote for both

[Lunchbox]

I want to see video proof of anybody claiming they made a 250+ yard kill shot with a slug. Let alone being new to hunting.

[falgore]

Some clarification is in order.

I have seen repeated claims of the 100-250 yd with this SPECIFIC model, I NEVER said I actually hit that far out, YET, I don't have this model in my hands. I only mentioned I needed the range of up to 250yd. BIG difference.

You never seen my uncle shoot. his first shot is the kill the follow-on is to knock it off its feet so we don't have to chase a running dead dear.

I never said I was the ambush-er. My uncle was. he has fast reflexes.

I NEVER said all the deer came through at the same time! You assumed they did.

I grew up with guns with lots of practice. either hand me downs or loaners. I stated that I was NEW to BUYING GUNS. If I can find the right slug to price ratio I can get practice in at the gun club. Once I practice it won't take me long to be a sharp shooter. I Know this from previous shooting experience. Hands on education I am a very fast learner

And I am NOT going to be shooting 250 yards at a running deer its unethical. This is a rifle level 12 ga. "special purpose" deer rifle 12ga meaning this gun is listed under special purpose due to its unique barrel. /accuracy

Quote from remington:
"The most dependable slide action of all time in three advanced designs that will go the distance with deadly precision, whether your target is the crease behind a buck’s shoulder or a big red head. We’ve built the industry’s finest rifled slug guns for years, but our new 12-gauge Model 870™ SPS™ ShurShot™ Synthetic Super Slug advances deer-leveling technology to farther reaches and smaller group sizes than ever before possible. Even more so when paired with high-performance ammunition like our Premier AccuTip sabot slugs. "

"Because barrel stability is key to extended-range accuracy, this shotgun’s barrel is of extra-heavy, 1" diameter configuration and measures a full 25 1/2". It’s also pinned to the receiver to control vibration for rifle-like, shot-to-shot consistency. Five longitudinal flutes keep weight and heat buildup to a minimum while bolstering barrel rigidity. Six Parabolic Ultragon™ rifling grooves with a 1-in-35" twist optimize slug flight. But much more than just the ultimate accuracy-enhancing barrel design, this shotgun provides the rock-steady aim and outstanding pointability of our ambidextrous ShurShot pistol-grip synthetic stock. Rubberized overmolding at the pistol grip and extended fore-end offer a sure hold in adverse conditions. For unmatched shooting comfort, we added the SuperCell™ recoil pad. The receiver is drilled and tapped, and the included Weaver rail makes adding optics a cinch. Sling swivel studs are built in."

Keep in mind if remington lied about the accuracy they could be sued. (false advertisement.) and not sued by me though.

Shooting this gun is not the same as shooting the standard 870 express. The express is only good to 75 yards for ethical shots. people complained to Remington about the poor accuracy at range, so they came out with the 870 super slug. http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtop ... 8&t=203346 its old news on this forum about the gun accuracy.

And I am going to be using a scope not open sites

[goett047]

A sharp shooter...where you going to get the money for that ammo. Last I checked Sabots are the opposite of cheap

[Lunchbox]

Just because the gun and ammo is capable of it by no means the shooter is. As has been said quite a few times the main determining factor of accuracy of any gun is the loose nut behind the trigger.