Mpls office shooting 2 dead, 4 injured

View · by **Scratch** on Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:35 pm

Link:http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/19659885/minneapolis-office-shooting-chestnut-ave

View · by **photogpat** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:31 am

What the hell is wrong with people? :cry:

I've been ticked off at a former employer before, never even crossed my mind to do something like this. What causes someone to cross that line? It was probably a "gun free zone" too...

The Strib had some pics up of the Mpls PD response. Looks like they had the full alert.

View · by **Steve_G** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:16 am

TV is reporting it at 5 dead, 4 injured this morning. May the Lord comfort the victims families.

View · by **Nat** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:17 am

This sucks. I just moved out of Bryn Mawr, and it really is as quiet a neighborhood as one could hope for in a city.

this guy has done enough damage; I sincerely hope the surviving employees, the families, and the neighbors find peace again quickly, and stop suffering from his actions.

View · by **RAGGED** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:48 am

Shooter had a carry permit, great, now the simple minds will judge all by the bad apple.

View · by **tman** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:53 am

RAGGED wrote:Shooter had a carry permit...

Can you post a link to that?

View · by **connsolo** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:56 am

tman wrote:
RAGGED wrote:Shooter had a carry permit...

Can you post a link to that?

It's in the story from fox9.

View · by **Nat** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:58 am

Well ****

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/19 ... e-shooting

View · by **RAGGED** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:59 am

tman wrote:
RAGGED wrote:Shooter had a carry permit...

Can you post a link to that?

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/19 ... e-shooting

View · by **tman** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:07 am

RAGGED wrote:
tman wrote:
RAGGED wrote:Shooter had a carry permit...

Can you post a link to that?

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/19 ... e-shooting

Thanks.

View · by **ijosef** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:34 am

I've noticed a lot of places are hiring armed security whenever they have to fire people, especially when they do multiple layoffs at once. Granted, it's not going to stop someone determined to return and start killing people, but the visual deterrent might make them think twice.

View · by **acerpower** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:14 pm

Chuck Engeldinger said he and his wife no longer had contact with their son Andrew. They said they tried to get him help for his mental illness, but wouldn't say what illness or whether or not he was taking any medication. They know that's not an excuse for his actions, but possible a partial explanation.

Read more: http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/19 ... z27oDWqtE1

I guess he had some type of record of mental illness, I'm surprised he had a P.T.C.
It also said he had over 10,000 rounds in his house, I guess this will give anti gunners more ammo for they're own agenda. :roll:

View · by **mrp** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:53 pm

acerpower wrote:It also said he had over 10,000 rounds in his house, I guess this will give anti gunners more ammo for they're own agenda.

packaging for 10,000 rounds of ammunition.

Not that it really matters, but 'packaging for' <> 'rounds of' ammunition. He could have had 10 empty mil surplus ammo cans in his basement.

View · by **farmerj** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:43 pm

how are the police able to release a statement saying that he had a permit to carry.

Subd. 15.Commissioner; contracts; database. (a) The commissioner must maintain an automated database of persons authorized to carry pistols under this section that is available 24 hours a day, seven days a week, only to law enforcement agencies, including prosecutors carrying out their duties under subdivision 8a, to verify the validity of a permit.

Since you can't use that database to make mailings like one infamous sheriff did, and you can't just go to the MN BCA, I don't think they can legally disclose this information even if the individual did something as egregious as this.

As an aside....

I got this in an email today....

Dear Jon,

There are five dead and four wounded in a mass shooting in Minneapolis yesterday. On the same day, another four people were shot and wounded in a separate shooting.

I'm gripped with sorrow and anger. Yesterday's events demand a response from all of us. Below is Protect Minnesota' statement to the media:

"Our hearts go out to the victims of these terrible crimes," said Heather Martens, executive director of Protect Minnesota: Working to End Gun Violence. "Now is the time for the community to come together to support the victims. And now is the time to demand public policy action to prevent this from happening again." To that end, Protect Minnesota is circulating an on-line petition for Freedom From Gun Violence.

"Public policy matters," Martens said. "It is time for our public officials to acknowledge that gun violence is a problem, that they can do something about it, and that they are morally obligated to work to solve the problem. Homicide is not an acceptable price to pay for political expediency, for blind ideology or for gun industry profits -- there is no excuse for failure to act." As David Hemenway from the Harvard School of Public Health has noted, the United States has a rate of homicide 7 times that of other wealthy nations, driven by a 20-times higher rate of gun homicide."

NATIONAL TREND: A new investigation by Mother Jones has found a national trend of rising mass shootings since 1982. Mother Jones also reported a nationwide rollback in gun regulations since 2009.

Could you sign and forward the petition?

Thank you for all you do,

Heather Martens

Executive Director

http://www.protectmn.org

Articles of note

Mother Jones: More Guns, More Mass Shootings: Coincidence?

Mother Jones: NRA Surge: 99 Laws Rolling Back Gun Restrictions

David Hemenway: Comparison to Other Nations

Star Tribune: Business Owner, UPS Driver, Shooter Among 5 Killed

Star Tribune: Shots at MInneapolis Homes Leave Four Wounded

Huffington Post: Polls Show Continued Support for Stronger Gun Laws

Sanghoee Column: After Three Shootings

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Not sure HOW she got my email...

But my response to her....

Heather,

I am a MN Citizens personal protection act instructor, NRA Personal Protection in and outside the home. I am also a retired Military Police office.

Your agenda offends me. Our society is in this position because of the simple fact that you blame an object for a persons actions.

When you start to address the issues directly at hand, namely WHY did this person act the way they did, not on the tools that they used, then I will feel comfortable with having a discussion with you.

In the mean time, I want to know what drove these human beings to the level of despair that they felt that violence, regardless of how they committed it, was their last option.

View · by **illbits** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:03 pm

farmerj wrote:Heather,

I am a MN Citizens personal protection act instructor, NRA Personal Protection in and outside the home. I am also a retired Military Police office.

Your agenda offends me. Our society is in this position because of the simple fact that you blame an object for a persons actions.

When you start to address the issues directly at hand, namely WHY did this person act the way they did, not on the tools that they used, then I will feel comfortable with having a discussion with you.

In the mean time, I want to know what drove these human beings to the level of despair that they felt that violence, regardless of how they committed it, was their last option.

Excellent