Mpls office shooting 2 dead, 4 injured

[Ivan45]

Well done

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[Lunchbox]

Heather,

I am a MN Citizens personal protection act instructor, NRA Personal Protection in and outside the home. I am also a retired Military Police office.

Your agenda offends me. Our society is in this position because of the simple fact that you blame an object for a persons actions.

When you start to address the issues directly at hand, namely WHY did this person act the way they did, not on the tools that they used, then I will feel comfortable with having a discussion with you.

In the mean time, I want to know what drove these human beings to the level of despair that they felt that violence, regardless of how they committed it, was their last option.

Excellent

Kind of curious to see what you get for a reply, if anything.

[sigsauersauce]

Heather,

I am a MN Citizens personal protection act instructor, NRA Personal Protection in and outside the home. I am also a retired Military Police office.

Your agenda offends me. Our society is in this position because of the simple fact that you blame an object for a persons actions.

When you start to address the issues directly at hand, namely WHY did this person act the way they did, not on the tools that they used, then I will feel comfortable with having a discussion with you.

In the mean time, I want to know what drove these human beings to the level of despair that they felt that violence, regardless of how they committed it, was their last option.

Excellent

Kind of curious to see what you get for a reply, if anything.

Ditto, excellent response!

I'm curious, has there been any new information as to what his actual mental health diagnosis was? Also, I do not yet have my ptc, but I know on the ptp application you have to attest to whether or not you have ever been diagnosed with a mental disorder. Is that just an honors system type thing or are they able to verify that? I'm guessing they don't due to medical records being private. Any clues on that?

[Heffay]

Ayup, good email. Deal with the root cause: Mental illness, the stigma behind it, and the refusal to treat it like a real disease.

NRA should sponsor some fundraisers to help combat mental illness.

[Mn01r6]

Ditto, excellent response!

I'm curious, has there been any new information as to what his actual mental health diagnosis was? Also, I do not yet have my ptc, but I know on the ptp application you have to attest to whether or not you have ever been diagnosed with a mental disorder. Is that just an honors system type thing or are they able to verify that? I'm guessing they don't due to medical records being private. Any clues on that?

You must have been "confined" as mentally ill or chemically dependent, meaning you were subject to civil commitment proceedings or a "72 hour hold" at a minnimum. Merely being diagnosed or hospitalized, as long as you were a voluntary patient, does not preclude you from owning/purchasing/carrying.

[Chunkychuck]

Heard on the news at 4:00 pm that police are saying he purchased his guns legally. My question is How would they be able to determine that without finding sales receipts if there supposedly is no gun registration.

[photogpat]

Heard on the news at 4:00 pm that police are saying he purchased his guns legally. My question is How would they be able to determine that without finding sales receipts if there supposedly is no gun registration.

Law allows police/FBI/law enforcement to run a serial number of a gun as part of a legitimate criminal investigation and a few other times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Tracing_Center

[Chunkychuck]

Heard on the news at 4:00 pm that police are saying he purchased his guns legally. My question is How would they be able to determine that without finding sales receipts if there supposedly is no gun registration.

Law allows police/FBI/law enforcement to run a serial number of a gun as part of a legitimate criminal investigation and a few other times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Tracing_Center

So there is a defacto gun registration if you go through a FFL and only the government can access it?

[tman]

Heard on the news at 4:00 pm that police are saying he purchased his guns legally. My question is How would they be able to determine that without finding sales receipts if there supposedly is no gun registration.

Law allows police/FBI/law enforcement to run a serial number of a gun as part of a legitimate criminal investigation and a few other times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Tracing_Center

So there is a defacto gun registration if you go through a FFL and only the government can access it?

...

This has ALWAYS been the case... How did you THINK guns were traced?

[cobb]

Heather,

I am a MN Citizens personal protection act instructor, NRA Personal Protection in and outside the home. I am also a retired Military Police office.

Your agenda offends me. Our society is in this position because of the simple fact that you blame an object for a persons actions.

When you start to address the issues directly at hand, namely WHY did this person act the way they did, not on the tools that they used, then I will feel comfortable with having a discussion with you.

In the mean time, I want to know what drove these human beings to the level of despair that they felt that violence, regardless of how they committed it, was their last option.

Excellent

Kind of curious to see what you get for a reply, if anything.

Heather will not respond, their group promote their agenda with feel good feelings and not the facts and common sense, period.

[BemidjiDweller]

Heard on the news at 4:00 pm that police are saying he purchased his guns legally. My question is How would they be able to determine that without finding sales receipts if there supposedly is no gun registration.

Law allows police/FBI/law enforcement to run a serial number of a gun as part of a legitimate criminal investigation and a few other times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Tracing_Center

So there is a defacto gun registration if you go through a FFL and only the government can access it?

The FFL has to take the firearm off their bound books, the info on the bound book includes who bought it and the serial number of the firearm among other things. If he was the original buyer of the firearm, the FFL would have him in their books.

[Chunkychuck]

I know the FFL has the info. My understanding that the NICS (NCIS, NSIC,...) check information was not kept lead me to believe that without going directly to the FFL the information was not available. I had not thought of the means of determining ownership that you offered in the other thread Tman.

[tman]

I know the FFL has the info. My understanding that the NICS (NCIS, NSIC,...) check information was not kept lead me to believe that without going directly to the FFL the information was not available. I had not thought of the means of determining ownership that you offered in the other thread Tman.

Yeah, they work from the top down, which makes stolen guns so desirable.

[bstrawse]

I know the FFL has the info. My understanding that the NICS (NCIS, NSIC,...) check information was not kept lead me to believe that without going directly to the FFL the information was not available. I had not thought of the means of determining ownership that you offered in the other thread Tman.

Serial numbers aren't shared in the NICS check in any event.
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[chinakay]

Ch 9 said last night that the perpetrator had a "concealed carry" permit certification, not a permit. Even the Strib is saying he only had the cert, but not that he actually had the permit.

http://www.startribune.com/local/minnea ... 77931.html