OGC

[ttousi]

server cost went to 4k

Another point........last safety and security director resigned in part due to being concerned and ignored about running the POS system online with no anti virus installed.

[rugersol]

Speaking of website and calendar. I was at a board meeting this spring where they decided to spend ?$7K? On an outside ?Drupal? Coder to fix up tge website and etc.
I thought the timeline and reason for paying a contractor was weeks. We're months out now.

I remember when Dick was maintaining the site with PHP, hisself! ... don't know that it cost us that much?!

... purdy fancy site, now! ... all that, jest to fill a berm with lead?! ... we can still shoot lead, right?!

... my point was, PHP is purdy common ... always free ... reliable ... and most importantly, can be handed off to almost anyone with almost no training! ... IOW, I highly doubt ya'd ever hafta pay anyone $7,000 to do ... well ... anything!

[rugersol]

running the POS system online with no anti virus installed.

I presume this is a 3rd-party system? ... https?! ... I guess I don't see how that's much different than buyin' AR parts online from home?!

Moreover, if it's online, there's a good chance ya don't need to use IE (I never do, 'less I need ActiveX ) ... ya could also probly use a Mac , Linux, 'er Android! ... as much as I don't like anti-virus on Windows (cure is worse than the disease), no way in hell I'd ever install such a thing on Linux 'er Android ... #1 reason? ... it probly IS the disease!

I guess I'd be curious to hear how the old register failed us?! ... or are we sellin' AR parts online, now?!

IIRC, BESA don't run anti-virus on their POS system?!

[plblark]

Is their pos connected to their network or the Internet @ BESA?

[rugersol]

Is their pos connected to their network or the Internet @ BESA?

[XDM45]

... my point was, PHP is purdy common ... always free ... reliable ... and most importantly, can be handed off to almost anyone with almost no training! ... IOW, I highly doubt ya'd ever hafta pay anyone $7,000 to do ... well ... anything!

Yes, PHP is pretty common, and I see your point, ...... but then again so is HTML, Microsoft Windows, the Internet, and many other software technologies also common and yet most people handle those wrong too. You get what you pay for.

[rugersol]

You get what you pay for.

... sometimes!

[XDM45]

server cost went to 4k

Another point........last safety and security director resigned in part due to being concerned and ignored about running the POS system online with no anti virus installed.

4k? Man.......

I have a Dell PowerEdge 2650 running Debian with 8GB ECC RAM and 5 x 143GB 15,000 rpm SCSI HDDs setup in a RAID 5 configuration in my home server room and it didn't cost me anywhere near $4k - and I'd be it'd be MORE than enough server for whatever OGC needs. It cost me $250 for the hardware, the OS was free, my time (if I were to bill it out for a customer) is $100 an hour, and there's no way my investment was anywhere close to $4,000 to set it up.

I'm truly curious...what are the specs on their server, what's its' purpose, what software does it run, etc?

As for the Safety and Security Director resigning because he was ignored by people about not running AV software (let alone current AV software) on their system, yes, he was smart to do so. I would too. I wonder if their POS is PCI-DSS compliant, if not, that's a huge problem on many levels, but those problems aren't his anymore, so good for him.

Ignorance is forgivable, but stupidity is not.

[XDM45]

You get what you pay for.

... sometimes!

Most of the time.

Anyone with any real skills isn't going to work for far less than they are worth unless they are desperate....and the second they can move on, they will.

[rugersol]

You get what you pay for.

... sometimes!

Most of the time.

... simple matter of perception! ... most clients don't have a clue ... so if the guy they pay can convince 'em the bag of poop he sold 'em is the best poop money can buy, they believe it's money well spent!

Over the years, I've seen lots of clients with nothing worth much more than a bag of poop!

Anyone with any real skills isn't going to work for far less than they are worth unless they are desperate....and the second they can move on, they will.

I've seen the "best" consultants bleed a client dry ... and then when there's no more money ... uh oh ... couldn't afford to finish the project?!

Ya say yer runnin' Debian?! ... it was free?! ... by yer logic, Windows is vastly superior!

[XDM45]

Ya say yer runnin' Debian?! ... it was free?! ... by yer logic, Windows is vastly superior!

I 100% agree that some consultants are only in it for the money, not to solve problems. Those leeches cause more problems they they pretend to fix, so I agree. I already even posted about those types before.

No, my logic does not mean that free = bad and paid = good. Solutions are solutions whether they are free or paid for, the question is, is not"am I doing the solution right?" .... it's "Am I doing the right solution?". There are often times many solutions to a problem, that's not an issue, but I like to use the one that would be considered "best practices". I want the optimal and ideal one, the perfect fit. Of course that's not always possible due to budgetary constraints which everyone has, but that is the goal - to solve the problem, ideally with the best possible method.

[rugersol]

Agreed!

It was my understanding, OGC implemented a software POS system a year 'er two ago?! ... are we talking about yet another POS system?! ... or are we talking about simply removing anti-virus from the POS machines?!

If we're talking about a new POS system, I'd be curious as to how much money was spent on the "old" one?! ... how did it fail us?! ... are we getting our money back?!

How much is the new POS system gonna cost?!

OGC already has a "server" ... does it not?! ... now we need a "new" one?! ... business must be BOOMING?!

[XDM45]

Agreed!

It was my understanding, OGC implemented a software POS system a year 'er two ago?! ... are we talking about yet another POS system?! ... or are we talking about simply removing anti-virus from the POS machines?!

If we're talking about a new POS system, I'd be curious as to how much money was spent on the "old" one?! ... how did it fail us?! ... are we getting our money back?!

How much is the new POS system gonna cost?!

OGC already has a "server" ... does it not?! ... now we need a "new" one?! ... business must be BOOMING?!

All very good questions...... I'd like to know the answers too.

[plblark]

IIRC, the old POS was on a system which was very old. So old that the guy who wrote it, the only guy who could update it ... died ...

[rugersol]

IIRC, the old POS was on a system which was very old. So old that the guy who wrote it, the only guy who could update it ... died ...

Are you talking about the "old" system we got a year 'er two ago?!

... or are you talking about prior to that one?!

Prior to a year 'er two ago, I was under the impression there was no software-based POS system ... simply a cash register?!