Don't Cry Wolf

[Thunder71]

Please take some time and read this.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/crying- ... e-in-2012/

Tapatalk - Helping people post from bathrooms since 2009.

[JoeH]

The author isn't saying anything new here. It's basically the same message as countless other blogs.

One thing that is bugging me is the assertion that "The new America is divided among those who get government checks and those who don’t." While many who voted for Obama do receive far more than they pay, if they pay anything at all, many receive no direct funds from the government. They get from the government the same things that conservatives do (roads, schools, stadiums, etc).

My sister is a Leftist. She may get some money for school. I'm not sure. But her and her husband both work, pay taxes, have a home - a stereotypically normal American existence. I believe that they voted for Obama (and Franklin, at the time) because of social issues and what they believe to be economic fairness. They also have no problem with others receiving long-term government handouts.

I'm no political expert. In fact, I'm a novice. However, I've made a career in sales. I know that I'll never turn and NO into a YES by insulting my prospect.

Conservatives will never win if we continue to vilify the Left. The Right are not the only ones who work and pay taxes.

[JKalsbeck1961]

JoeH-
Politics and sales are two different animals with politics having a highly skewed playing field in favor of leftists as the MSM points out daily with their actions.
It seems it is entirely acceptable for leftists to call Republican presidents Hitler and war criminals yet they are eerily silent when thier guy escalates a conflict. (Afghanistan)
It is also fully acceptable for leftists to call conservatives bigoted, narrow minded, stupid, homphobic and any number of other insults they can come up with.

We are cruel, mean spirited and just plain killers for wanting to keep more of our hard earned money instead of having it forcibly taken to give to others who have made living off the government a generational lifestyle.

I would ask - What is more greedy?
1. Taking a risk, building a business and employing several people while being able to retain your profits? (This allows you to keep those people employed expand your business and enjoy the fruits of the risk you took.)
2. Working hard and doing what you can to not go on the government dole and retaining more of your hard earned pay.
3. Continually finding ways to stay on unemployement or welfare (sometimes in multiple states) or not doing what you can to improve yourself so you can get out of that cycle?

Don't get me wrong, there are definitely people who legitimately cannot work and we need to take care of them. But those are a vast minority.

Your lefty sister can vote all she wants for equality of opportunity. There's nothing wrong with that. But the people she supports also want equality of outcome legislated as evidenced by their constant attempts to punish and demonize the successful through punitive taxation. (as we all know, if they can get rates to 39% they'll push to get them higher and higher because after all, they can "afford" it.)

[JoeH]

How's all that working for the Republicans? You state a lot of points but none directly address the OP or my post.

Do you think that everyone who voted for BHO gets a government check and everyone who voted for Romney does not? That's what the article in the OP states. I disagree. Where do you stand?

Now, I would agree that everyone who supports the takers are just as bad as the takers.

[Heffay]

The Right are not the only ones who work and pay taxes.

8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in America went for Obama. So... yeah.

[Thunder71]

The Right are not the only ones who work and pay taxes.

8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in America went for Obama. So... yeah.

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Isn't that about as relevant as Obama losing every state with voter ID?

[Heffay]

The Right are not the only ones who work and pay taxes.

8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in America went for Obama. So... yeah.

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Isn't that about as relevant as Obama losing every state with voter ID?

47 percenters, amirite??

[jdege]

The Right are not the only ones who work and pay taxes.

8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in America went for Obama. So... yeah.

Yep. The rich would much rather have the marginal tax rates raised on incomes over $250k, so long as their loopholes are preserved.

The idea of lowering rates and closing loopholes terrifies them.

[JKalsbeck1961]

@joeH -
My position is that the majority of Obama voters / supporters (99%?) are like the woman interviewed after the 2008 DNC convention in Denver... you remember her?
"I'm so excited because if Obama wins I won't have to worry about my mortgage or my car or gas"
If they aren't already getting their mortgage and gas, etc. paid for by the government that's what they voted to get.

[Thunder71]

@joeH -
My position is that the majority of Obama voters / supporters (99%?) are like the woman interviewed after the 2008 DNC convention in Denver... you remember her?
"I'm so excited because if Obama wins I won't have to worry about my mortgage or my car or gas"
If they aren't already getting their mortgage and gas, etc. paid for by the government that's what they voted to get.

This.

[goalie]

The Right are not the only ones who work and pay taxes.

8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in America went for Obama. So... yeah.

Yep. The rich would much rather have the marginal tax rates raised on incomes over $250k, so long as their loopholes are preserved.

The idea of lowering rates and closing loopholes terrifies them.

Um, are you saying that 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the US didn't go for Obama?

A lot of rich people voted for the guy. Deal with that fact honestly and you'll be better off in the long run, and more intellectually honest with yourself and others.

[goalie]

@joeH -
My position is that the majority of Obama voters / supporters (99%?) are like the woman interviewed after the 2008 DNC convention in Denver... you remember her?
"I'm so excited because if Obama wins I won't have to worry about my mortgage or my car or gas"
If they aren't already getting their mortgage and gas, etc. paid for by the government that's what they voted to get.

Really? 99%???

What do you think the voter turnout is in the ghetto compared to the 'burbs?

That 8 out of 10 stat must be making the logic part of a lot of MGT's brains shut down......

[Heffay]

@joeH -
My position is that the majority of Obama voters / supporters (99%?) are like the woman interviewed after the 2008 DNC convention in Denver... you remember her?
"I'm so excited because if Obama wins I won't have to worry about my mortgage or my car or gas"
If they aren't already getting their mortgage and gas, etc. paid for by the government that's what they voted to get.

Really? 99%???

What do you think the voter turnout is in the ghetto compared to the 'burbs?

That 8 out of 10 stat must be making the logic part of a lot of MGT's brains shut down......

That's EXACTLY what Jindal was talking about.

Gotta stop being intellectually dishonest. Or more like he said, gotta stop being the party of stupid.

You know what the greatest coup the republican party has had over the past 30 years? Convincing dirt-ass poor mechanics that they are just temporarily inconvenienced rich people, who are a tax break away from being millionaires.

[jdege]

Um, are you saying that 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the US didn't go for Obama?

A lot of rich people voted for the guy. Deal with that fact honestly and you'll be better off in the long run, and more intellectually honest with yourself and others.

No, I'm saying that the rich love the Democrats because they know that the Dems are no threat to them. The Dems back big business, big labor, big government, and intrusive government meddling and regulation, which puts smaller firms and new entries into the market at a strategic disadvantage. All that creative destruction, and the constant flux of competition and change, gives the folks on top heartburn. Which is why they are so quick to support policies that will make it very difficult to for anyone else to challenge them. Particularly when some leftist sociologist can come up with some sugar-coated explanation of how trapping people in perpetual misery and dependency is "helping" them.

As for the tax rates - the wealthy support the Dems because they know that raising the marginal rates would not impact them at all, so long as their favorite loopholes are preserved. The Republicans plan of lowering marginal rates while closing loopholes would, while significantly improving the economy, actually take money out of their pockets. They'd much rather have a high rate that someone else gets stuck paying, than a low rate that applies to them.

[Heffay]

No, I'm saying that the rich love the Democrats because they know that the Dems are no threat to them.

Ok, so rich people love democrats because they are no threat, and poor people like democrats because they get handouts?

Where are the job creators in this picture, and who do they like?