This is getting ridiculous!

[plblark]

and HOW many people were shot in Chicago on this same date? ...

[Dante]

Sadly I believe the reason more people were not shot was due to the shooters inexperience and a lack of conviction on his part.

But I am probably a bit more jaded than most.

[plblark]

IDK about lack of conviction. This followed the usual trend didn't it ... Commit the act, resistance, shoot self ...

[TTS]

Why more people didn't die in Clackamas mall shooting
Improved police practices and greater public awareness about what to do in an 'active shooter scenario' may have limited casualties during the Clackamas mall shooting Tuesday in Portland, Ore.
By Patrik Jonsson | Christian Science Monitor


http://news.yahoo.com/why-more-people-didnt-die-clackamas-mall-shooting-225031988.html


Many news stories are also saying that the number of mass shootings isn't changing very much. I suspect our attitudes are changing more than the stats are changing. In other words, all of us - pro and anti - are becoming sensitized to the news stories and pay more attention.

On the other hand, the above article concludes that people are more prepared. As carry permits continue to rise across the country, and people take more responsible for their own personal defense (as well as defense of those around them), I'm not surprised.

So, rather than agree that Rome is burning, I believe it's the exact opposite - our society is becoming better prepared and is more willing to take a stand against the nut jobs and homocidal maniacs. I think what's changing isn't the number of shootings, it's the number of people who are willing to do something about it (by being prepared).

He didn't kill more people because his rifle jammed multiple time, not because of improved police response...

You are correct that the US averages 20 mass shooting per year and that hasn't changed much since the 1980's. The offsetting statistic is that violent crime is down considerably in that same period of time. That means that the rate of mass shooting to other violent crime has increased.

The Rome burning comment was more geared toward an overall societal collapse of morality and an inability for much of society to take responsibility for their actions.

All in all, the Anti's should be happy that these recent shooters were using "assault weapons" with "high capacity magazines" that are prone to malfunctions.

[JJ]

I fail to see how these shootings are any different than the past. Makes me recall the "postal" shootings of old.

Only difference now is that the media (anti-gun media) is more than willing to capitolize on these tragedies to generate bigger advertising contracts, than to present fair/balanced/accurate reporting.

[tman]

IDK about lack of conviction. This followed the usual trend didn't it ... Commit the act, resistance, shoot self ...

The police have been saying they don't know why he fled to the stairwell and shot himself. Their spokesman said that he couldn't confirm ANY contact with the shooter by LEO's.

Nor can they confirm that a permit holder was involved.

[selurcspi]

Does anyone want to bet this murderer:-

Participated in no adult organized activities (except for perhaps Band/Choir) growing up!
Lives in his parent’s basement (at least still at home)!
Watches lots of violent Movies!
Has spent 20 to 40 hour per week playing violent video games for the last 10 years!

These are all noted factors in the perpetrators of ALL of the mass killings since the first one in Jonesboro AR.

As a reference see - Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill : A Call to Action Against TV, Movie and Video Game Violence [Hardcover]
Gloria Degaetano & Dave Grossman

http://www.amazon.com/Stop-Teaching-Our-Kids-Kill/dp/0609606131

[tman]

Does anyone want to bet this murderer:-

Participated in no adult organized activities (except for perhaps Band/Choir) growing up!
Lives in his parent’s basement (at least still at home)!
Watches lots of violent Movies!
Has spent 20 to 40 hour per week playing violent video games for the last 10 years!

These are all noted factors in the perpetrators of ALL of the mass killings since the first one in Jonesboro AR.

As a reference see - Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill : A Call to Action Against TV, Movie and Video Game Violence [Hardcover]
Gloria Degaetano & Dave Grossman

http://www.amazon.com/Stop-Teaching-Our-Kids-Kill/dp/0609606131

I bet there are a lot of adults that have these characteristics and DON'T do that.

[xd ED]

I fail to see how these shootings are any different than the past. Makes me recall the "postal" shootings of old.

Only difference now is that the media (anti-gun media) is more than willing to capitolize on these tragedies to generate bigger advertising contracts, than to present fair/balanced/accurate reporting.

Good point.
In the days of someone 'going postal', Prozac was often blamed, correctly or not.

[Humphrey Bogart]

Does anyone want to bet this murderer:-

Participated in no adult organized activities (except for perhaps Band/Choir) growing up!
Lives in his parent’s basement (at least still at home)!
Watches lots of violent Movies!
Has spent 20 to 40 hour per week playing violent video games for the last 10 years!

These are all noted factors in the perpetrators of ALL of the mass killings since the first one in Jonesboro AR.

As a reference see - Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill : A Call to Action Against TV, Movie and Video Game Violence [Hardcover]
Gloria Degaetano & Dave Grossman

http://www.amazon.com/Stop-Teaching-Our-Kids-Kill/dp/0609606131

....Isn't there a massive correlation between crazy shooters and some type of psycho-drugs (usually anti-depressants)
Heard that after the Virginia Tech shooting....

[selurcspi]

Does anyone want to bet this murderer:-

Participated in no adult organized activities (except for perhaps Band/Choir) growing up!
Lives in his parent’s basement (at least still at home)!
Watches lots of violent Movies!
Has spent 20 to 40 hour per week playing violent video games for the last 10 years!

These are all noted factors in the perpetrators of ALL of the mass killings since the first one in Jonesboro AR.

As a reference see - Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill : A Call to Action Against TV, Movie and Video Game Violence [Hardcover]
Gloria Degaetano & Dave Grossman

http://www.amazon.com/Stop-Teaching-Our-Kids-Kill/dp/0609606131

I bet there are a lot of adults that have these characteristics and DON'T do that.

TMan, you're right, but ALL of those that did kill, fit this mold. Most adults are not going to be badly affected by these precursors, but the few is what we're talking about here.
Give the book and more importantly the background research going back to 1952 a read, it’s an eye opener.

[Ivan45]

selurcspi wrote:
Does anyone want to bet this murderer:-

Participated in no adult organized activities (except for perhaps Band/Choir) growing up!
Lives in his parent’s basement (at least still at home)!
Watches lots of violent Movies!
Has spent 20 to 40 hour per week playing violent video games for the last 10 years!

These are all noted factors in the perpetrators of ALL of the mass killings since the first one in Jonesboro AR.

As a reference see - Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill : A Call to Action Against TV, Movie and Video Game Violence [Hardcover]
Gloria Degaetano & Dave Grossman

http://www.amazon.com/Stop-Teaching-Our ... 0609606131



I bet there are a lot of adults that have these characteristics and DON'T do that.

I was in band in high school.

For economic and personal reasons, I had to move back into my Mom's basement.

I enjoy movies of all kinds.

I enjoy video games of all kinds.

Does this mean I should be singled out as a potentially dangerous member of society?

Saying that these things are a cause of violent behavior are like saying, as the much used quote goes, that spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat.

While I agree that there are many things wrong with this society, the root cause of this behavior is what needs to be figured out. Personally, I would be scrutinizing parents and the public education system.

[Holland&Holland]

selurcspi wrote:
Does anyone want to bet this murderer:-

Participated in no adult organized activities (except for perhaps Band/Choir) growing up!
Lives in his parent’s basement (at least still at home)!
Watches lots of violent Movies!
Has spent 20 to 40 hour per week playing violent video games for the last 10 years!

These are all noted factors in the perpetrators of ALL of the mass killings since the first one in Jonesboro AR.

As a reference see - Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill : A Call to Action Against TV, Movie and Video Game Violence [Hardcover]
Gloria Degaetano & Dave Grossman

http://www.amazon.com/Stop-Teaching-Our ... 0609606131



I bet there are a lot of adults that have these characteristics and DON'T do that.

I was in band in high school.

For economic and personal reasons, I had to move back into my Mom's basement.

I enjoy movies of all kinds.

I enjoy video games of all kinds.

Does this mean I should be singled out as a potentially dangerous member of society?

Saying that these things are a cause of violent behavior are like saying, as the much used quote goes, that spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat.

While I agree that there are many things wrong with this society, the root cause of this behavior is what needs to be figured out. Personally, I would be scrutinizing parents and the public education system.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.... so it is not ok to blame the spoon for Rosie but we can blame the parents? Why do us parents always get the blame? Maybe you were just a bad kid? (saying this in a light hearted ribbing manner of course as a parent of teenagers whos behavior I can not condone nor explain most days).

[selurcspi]

selurcspi wrote:
Does anyone want to bet this murderer:-

Participated in no adult organized activities (except for perhaps Band/Choir) growing up!
Lives in his parent’s basement (at least still at home)!
Watches lots of violent Movies!
Has spent 20 to 40 hour per week playing violent video games for the last 10 years!

These are all noted factors in the perpetrators of ALL of the mass killings since the first one in Jonesboro AR.

As a reference see - Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill : A Call to Action Against TV, Movie and Video Game Violence [Hardcover]
Gloria Degaetano & Dave Grossman

http://www.amazon.com/Stop-Teaching-Our ... 0609606131



I bet there are a lot of adults that have these characteristics and DON'T do that.

I was in band in high school.

For economic and personal reasons, I had to move back into my Mom's basement.

I enjoy movies of all kinds.

I enjoy video games of all kinds.

Does this mean I should be singled out as a potentially dangerous member of society?

Saying that these things are a cause of violent behavior are like saying, as the much used quote goes, that spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat.

While I agree that there are many things wrong with this society, the root cause of this behavior is what needs to be figured out. Personally, I would be scrutinizing parents and the public education system.

As I added for Tman

TMan, you're right, but ALL of those that did kill, fit this mold. Most adults are not going to be badly affected by these precursors, but the few is what we're talking about here.
Give the book and more importantly the background research going back to 1952 a read, it’s an eye opener.

[Ivan45]

Your response was posted as I was typing mine, and I do appreciate the exception, and I'm definitely not blaming all parents, just a few bad ones.

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