IDPA/IPSC/3 Gun Hi Cap Mag question

[Mn01r6]

Assuming a mag capacity restriction is put in place, what would the rules be for the various shooting sports? It would seem to me allowing a 15-round glock 34 to go up against a 10-rounder would be an unfair advantage.

Did the rules change during the last hi cap mag ban? Will I be able to use my 15-rounders and only load 10? Do they let you run hi cap mags because enough are available used?

[EAJuggalo]

I believe everything was capped at 10 unless the specific division specified less. Actually I thought IDPA was still set up that way.

[rugersol]

USPSA has/had a Ltd-10 division... all others are only restricted by length!

[TTS]

USPSA has/had a Ltd-10 division... all others are only restricted by length!

No, production is capped at 10 rounds as well. And single stack is 8 if you are shooting Major or 10 for Minor.

[t140]

Assuming a mag capacity restriction is put in place, what would the rules be for the various shooting sports? It would seem to me allowing a 15-round glock 34 to go up against a 10-rounder would be an unfair advantage.

Did the rules change during the last hi cap mag ban? Will I be able to use my 15-rounders and only load 10? Do they let you run hi cap mags because enough are available used?

Stop using these terms. They are NORMAL CAPACITY MAGAZINES.

[IDPA Shooter]

IDPA started during the AWB ban and never changed its rules, since CA (and others I'm too lazy to look up and verify, but I recall, CT. MD, NJ and HI) and many others never did change when the federal ban expired in 2004. I'm told 1/9 Americans live in CA, so loading 10 in the mag in the Stock Service and Enhanced Stock pistol is as high as is allowed today. Custom Defense Pistol (45 ACP) is 8 and you can guess how many they allow in revolvers...

[Snowgun]

I"m just curious what will happen to the USPSA open division... Now those bastards will have to reload.

[TTS]

I"m just curious what will happen to the USPSA open division... Now those bastards will have to reload.

Open division was alive an well under the last AWB, it was just more stupid expensive than it is now

[user293]

I"m just curious what will happen to the USPSA open division... Now those bastards will have to reload.

Reload, never!

[crbutler]

My experience with 3 gun at the time was that they pretty much allowed "run what ya brung" and we saw all kinds of standard cap guns. Pretty much no one had banned the possession of grandfathered magazines, and they were available, if at a price.

That being said, certain locales that have high cap bans in place don't tend to have big 3 gun matches at them. For instance, there are no big 3 gun matches in California because of their goofy rules.

The 3 gun world seems to have crept towards more divisions, like USPSA has, over the last 10 years.

I expect that 3 gun will survive whatever they do, as it is alive in a somewhat bastardized form in england- basically shotgun only. It will likely not change much quickly in the absence of a confiscatory gun ban. Long term, well, it would probably look like SASS (cowboy) without the dress up depending if it was a semi auto ban.

[rugersol]

Long term, well, it would probably look like SASS (cowboy) without the dress up depending if it was a semi auto ban.

Actually, SASS already has a semi-auto 3-gun deal! ... most every stage is multi-gun! ... and I wouldn't call a hat n boots "dress up"!

[crbutler]

Actually, SASS already has a semi-auto 3-gun deal! ... most every stage is multi-gun! ... and I wouldn't call a hat n boots "dress up"!

When did SASS start allowing semi autos? Other than the wild bunch stage that allows 1911's for pistol only?

In any case, that is kind of why I said what I did. SASS is optimized for 3 gun competition using firearms that have a low absolute capacity limit. Lots of fun, good folks.

Now, If I could wear a baseball cap and tennis shoes, I would not make cracks about dress up. Most of you guys wear clothes fancier than I wear to church.

[Snowgun]

When we are all forced to shoot SASS the terrorists have won.

[rugersol]

When we are all forced to shoot SASS the terrorists have won.

Jealous.

[tazdevil]

My experience with 3 gun at the time was that they pretty much allowed "run what ya brung" and we saw all kinds of standard cap guns. Pretty much no one had banned the possession of grandfathered magazines, and they were available, if at a price.

That being said, certain locales that have high cap bans in place don't tend to have big 3 gun matches at them. For instance, there are no big 3 gun matches in California because of their goofy rules.

The 3 gun world seems to have crept towards more divisions, like USPSA has, over the last 10 years.

I expect that 3 gun will survive whatever they do, as it is alive in a somewhat bastardized form in england- basically shotgun only. It will likely not change much quickly in the absence of a confiscatory gun ban. Long term, well, it would probably look like SASS (cowboy) without the dress up depending if it was a semi auto ban.

This. Keeps it "fairer" for those competing. Our "outlaw" 3gun comps with MN3gg currently do tactical limited, tactical optics, open, and He-Man. He-man has not had much competition in it, so it has been occasionally combined with one of the others, depending on what was used. It's pretty simple to understand, Tac limited is no Magnified optics; only red dots or irons for all guns. Round counts apply, but not a "10 round mag" rule UNLESS the stage calls for a specific round count with mag changes. Tac Optics, you can add a magnified optic to one gun, rest are standard sights or red dots. He-Man adds specific round size to be more "manly". Open.....those guys scare me.

Much more definition here: http://mn3gungroup.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/MN3GunRules.pdf