So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

[xd ED]

So call the ATF on his ass for distributing without a license. That's a no-no.

Who knows if this donkey has an ffl or not

Guy I buy my guns from

Maybe I am missing something, but how can you buy a gun from someone and not know whether they hold an FFL?

[FuBruB]

To me its just like all the hype with the end of the fkn world.

Who knows how many religious cults and over believers sold everything or bought into a bunch of BS because someone said were all going to die on Dec. 21.

People sold their houses and moved to the country in hope they would survive this end of days. People bought supplies, food, and water like it was gold... for what? Just like in 2000.

All I have to say is hahahahahaha!

I won't be buying any ammo, Pmags or any other overpriced ********. I'll wait till this all blows over and buy things at a price that was/is the norm.

[TommyMN]

A guy on a truck forum posted that. I'm not saying it. I think he's referring to a ffl he buys from.

[TommyMN]

And guys here buy and sell all the time. All private sales. There's plenty of people that bought tons of weapons just to flip them.

[FJ540]

This is where I get mad

"Also on another note. Guy I buy my guns from got a call from one of his friends while I was there. When this started he went to his local Walmart and purchased all of the Ar-15's they had. 12 total. Like $800 each. DPMS I believe. He took them to a gun show today and sold every single one of them for $1995 each!!"

I suppose it is possible the buddy is also a FFL, but wouldn't that be a pertinent detail to ask at the time?

Guy who bought my stripped lower for $280+20 shipping is going to put a LPK in it and sell it. I don't feel so bad now.

I have 5 LPK's coming (eventually), and should turn a nice profit on those too. I didn't buy the lower I sold explicitly to sell, but was hoping it would end up a friends build and he didn't have the money so I was going to build it out for my 300blk, and then the market went nuts.

The whole flipping guns trend right now is probably going to make us (gun people) look really bad and further the left's agenda to restrict private sales. I'm thankful every news cast I see that no one has mentioned what's happening in the gun auctions. Amy dumb B----- klobutcher was on ABC news a few mins ago claiming high cap mags were partly responsible for the Accent Signage shooting. She also said they allowed 7 to 11 shots to be fired into a child.

[FJ540]

Buying to explicitly re-sell without a FFL is a no-no. Buying and having someone offer you 2.5x what you paid, or because you need to free up the money, or you just don't like how it shoots, or whatever, is just your right to dispose of personal property how you see fit.

I've moved a bunch of guns this year, but none of them were expressly obtained to sell for profit. In fact, the one I just sold was intended to merely split shipping and FFL transfer fee expense.

[TommyMN]

Private sales and collection is one thing. Going to a store and buying every msr to then flip a few days later is rediculous.

[FJ540]

I was just looking for the ATF's take on it, but what I found was a CA law limiting private handgun sales to 6 annually (Strad would be screwed ), but I'm not finding the info I thought I'd seen in the past. Perhaps I'm mistaken on the limit of guns you can pass without a license.

Personally, I think you should be able to deal in whatever commodities tickle your fancy without government intrusion - but that's a pipe dream in today's world. I just don't want someone to wind up in silver cufflinks because they crossed the line.

I think it was Chicago's mayor who was also on Stephanopoulos' show talking about closing secondary markets (non-dealer sales) without doing a background check in the past half hour. He at least had the brains to deny legal owners were causing the crime problem.

[xd ED]

Private sales and collection is one thing. Going to a store and buying every msr to then flip a few days later is rediculous.

Why?
Whether they bought them from wallyworld, or out of someone's trunk, an agreement was reached between a willing buyer and a willing seller. !2 people have new guns..
Are you against the stock exchanges as well?

[45Badger]

Buying to explicitly re-sell without a FFL is a no-no. Buying and having someone offer you 2.5x what you paid, or because you need to free up the money, or you just don't like how it shoots, or whatever, is just your right to dispose of personal property how you see fit.

I've moved a bunch of guns this year, but none of them were expressly obtained to sell for profit. In fact, the one I just sold was intended to merely split shipping and FFL transfer fee expense.

As a well informed and known (and entirely legal) serial buyer, seller, flipper, swapper, horse-trader, I think that what I've bolded above could be construed in a bad way by an overly eager beaver ATF agent. Just saying you might want to consider your choice of words (memorialized here on the inter-webs). Not suggesting you had any bad intent.

Back to the regularly scheduled pissin-an-a-moanin about stuff you can't afford, resentment that some other dude can, or had the foresight or good luck to buy, steal, hoard, etc. Or that businesses use pricing as dynamic tool to manage their profitability AND their inventory levels. Frontiersman was looking pretty bare when I went in yesterday. So was Arnzen. If they do not get more inventory in, they cannot sell it next week, cash flow shrinks, employee hours get cut or terminated, businesses close, yada, yada, yada.......... If they have no/less cash coming in because they have nothing or reduced inventory to sell, it really sucks when the fixed costs like rent/mortgage, power, insurance, etc don't miraculously shrink in proportion. The biggest variable cost that can be managed has a pulse. That money will come out of employee wages and owners pocket/equity. When the owner has had enough, he shuts the doors.

If you were not wise enough (or too poor, or whatever) to foresee blips/circumstances like this, don't resent those who were, and DO NOT chase the stupidity. If you didn't "need" and AR or PMag last month, you probably don't "need" them now. Save your pennies for the day when the panic buyers realize they really didn't "need" it and DO need to pay a mortgage/rent, need to pay a kids tuition or medical bill, need a car for their spouse, etc. You will be able to buy at a steep discount to today's stupidity. The explosion of production and sales of high cap mags and ARs since 2004 has dwarfed the the pre-1994 supply. While a new ban would be a serious and stupid pain in the butt, the glut of supply in real numbers (not keyboard commando opinion) plus the hyper production that would go into effect with any serious ban legislation would mitigate the $$ impact of a fixed supply.

Finally, Merry Christmas! Don't be hating, sit back and enjoy the ride.

[xd ED]

I was just looking for the ATF's take on it, but what I found was a CA law limiting private handgun sales to 6 annually (Strad would be screwed ), but I'm not finding the info I thought I'd seen in the past. Perhaps I'm mistaken on the limit of guns you can pass without a license.

Personally, I think you should be able to deal in whatever commodities tickle your fancy without government intrusion - but that's a pipe dream in today's world. I just don't want someone to wind up in silver cufflinks because they crossed the line.

I think it was Chicago's mayor who was also on Stephanopoulos' show talking about closing secondary markets (non-dealer sales) without doing a background check in the past half hour. He at least had the brains to deny legal owners were causing the crime problem.

I think the atf banks a lot on proving intention when it comes to straw buyers. It would be interesting to know what they view as acceptable, though.

[TommyMN]

Private sales and collection is one thing. Going to a store and buying every msr to then flip a few days later is rediculous.

Why?
Whether they bought them from wallyworld, or out of someone's trunk, an agreement was reached between a willing buyer and a willing seller. !2 people have new guns..
Are you against the stock exchanges as well?

Because those 12 people could of just bought them at Walmart without all the hype and panic. It's all make believe. It makes gun owners look like panic crazed psychos. More $ then brains.

[photogpat]

IIRC it's being "engaged in the business" without a Federal Firearm License that gets people in trouble. Engaged in the business has been shown by ATF to mean intentionally garnering a profit from a firearm purchase/sale....with no furtherance of a "personal collection". Would situations like current environment qualify? Let's see, I buy 6 ARs at $800...turn around and resell for $1600. I'm not saying, I'm just sayin' - that might require some 'splainin if any of the alphabet soup agencies show up (ATF, IRS, etc).

There have been threads on this very board about how much is too much...and I don't know that's there's been a clear consensus. Some argue that it's their private property, and they should be allowed to do with it what they will. The other side and the media portrays these as "gun show loophole" sales. IMHO, the answer probably lies somewhere in the middle...don't try to make a profit while doing a hobby (this is actually good tax advice too), and when you sell one, try to make sure the person buying isn't a prohibited purchaser.

[TommyMN]

Buying to explicitly re-sell without a FFL is a no-no. Buying and having someone offer you 2.5x what you paid, or because you need to free up the money, or you just don't like how it shoots, or whatever, is just your right to dispose of personal property how you see fit.

I've moved a bunch of guns this year, but none of them were expressly obtained to sell for profit. In fact, the one I just sold was intended to merely split shipping and FFL transfer fee expense.

As a well informed and known (and entirely legal) serial buyer, seller, flipper, swapper, horse-trader, I think that what I've bolded above could be construed in a bad way by an overly eager beaver ATF agent. Just saying you might want to consider your choice of words (memorialized here on the inter-webs). Not suggesting you had any bad intent.

Back to the regularly scheduled pissin-an-a-moanin about stuff you can't afford, resentment that some other dude can, or had the foresight or good luck to buy, steal, hoard, etc. Or that businesses use pricing as dynamic tool to manage their profitability AND their inventory levels. Frontiersman was looking pretty bare when I went in yesterday. So was Arnzen. If they do not get more inventory in, they cannot sell it next week, cash flow shrinks, employee hours get cut or terminated, businesses close, yada, yada, yada.......... If they have no/less cash coming in because they have nothing or reduced inventory to sell, it really sucks when the fixed costs like rent/mortgage, power, insurance, etc don't miraculously shrink in proportion. The biggest variable cost that can be managed has a pulse. That money will come out of employee wages and owners pocket/equity. When the owner has had enough, he shuts the doors.

If you were not wise enough (or too poor, or whatever) to foresee blips/circumstances like this, don't resent those who were, and DO NOT chase the stupidity. If you didn't "need" and AR or PMag last month, you probably don't "need" them now. Save your pennies for the day when the panic buyers realize they really didn't "need" it and DO need to pay a mortgage/rent, need to pay a kids tuition or medical bill, need a car for their spouse, etc. You will be able to buy at a steep discount to today's stupidity. The explosion of production and sales of high cap mags and ARs since 2004 has dwarfed the the pre-1994 supply. While a new ban would be a serious and stupid pain in the butt, the glut of supply in real numbers (not keyboard commando opinion) plus the hyper production that would go into effect with any serious ban legislation would mitigate the $$ impact of a fixed supply.

Finally, Merry Christmas! Don't be hating, sit back and enjoy the ride.

So you wanna protect stores like arnzen from closing their doors but encourage people to go in there and buy tons of rifles, mags, and ammo they don't need. Just so the can flip it to make a few bucks.

God lord at the hypocrisy.

[xd ED]

Private sales and collection is one thing. Going to a store and buying every msr to then flip a few days later is rediculous.

Why?
Whether they bought them from wallyworld, or out of someone's trunk, an agreement was reached between a willing buyer and a willing seller. !2 people have new guns..
Are you against the stock exchanges as well?

Because those 12 people could of just bought them at Walmart without all the hype and panic. It's all make believe. It makes gun owners look like panic crazed psychos. More $ then brains.

So?
I can be amused by that, but have no reason to be outraged.

Personally, I think a guy paying $1000 rifle makes a much stronger political staement than one spending $600.

Finally, Merry Christmas! Don't be hating, sit back and enjoy the ride.

Yep, it's worth noting that today, both Brownell's and Midway are taking orders for pmags at normal retail prices...