So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

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Re: So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

Postby msnden on Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:00 am

TommyMN wrote:
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TommyMN wrote:Why o why didn't I pull out my credit card and buy every gun I could find last week. I could claim to be the best business man ever this week.



No, you should have pulled your credit card out two weeks ago & bought every gun you could find! Whenever I had to explain my reasoning for purchasing a new gun (& there have been a few) I would always respond by saying "They are a good investment"----Well??


It's not for me. I'm not in this hobby to stab other hobbyists in the back. I'd rather work more if I need a few bucks.



I hear Ya!! but you have to remember, to some it is a business, Not a Hobby, also keep in mind "this will pass" hopefully you have a decent supply of guns to weather the storm. however, if you see something you like (even just a little) snap it up, I think this storm is going to last awhile, & get more sever JMOP
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Re: So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

Postby TommyMN on Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:13 am

If I see something I like. Ill buy it. I'm not gonna toss on my tin foil hat and pay triple msrp just for some straw dealing douche to make some $ off me.
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Re: So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

Postby grousemaster on Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:19 am

TommyMN wrote:Why o why didn't I pull out my credit card and buy every gun I could find last week. I could claim to be the best business man ever this week.



I wish I would have. Hindsight is 20/20
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Re: So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

Postby grousemaster on Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:20 am

FuBruB wrote:To me its just like all the hype with the end of the fkn world.

Who knows how many religious cults and over believers sold everything or bought into a bunch of BS because someone said were all going to die on Dec. 21.

People sold their houses and moved to the country in hope they would survive this end of days. People bought supplies, food, and water like it was gold... for what? Just like in 2000.

All I have to say is hahahahahaha! :twisted: :evil:

I won't be buying any ammo, Pmags or any other overpriced ********. I'll wait till this all blows over and buy things at a price that was/is the norm.



You mean after they're banned?
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Re: So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

Postby TommyMN on Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:29 am

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TommyMN wrote:Why o why didn't I pull out my credit card and buy every gun I could find last week. I could claim to be the best business man ever this week.



I wish I would have. Hindsight is 20/20


I honestly don't. I wouldn't feel right about. Even thou I could use the funds. I don't wanna be the guy I greatly dislike. I just wish I would of had more time to buy the one rifle I wanted.
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Re: So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

Postby 45Badger on Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:34 am

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FJ540 wrote:Buying to explicitly re-sell without a FFL is a no-no. Buying and having someone offer you 2.5x what you paid, or because you need to free up the money, or you just don't like how it shoots, or whatever, is just your right to dispose of personal property how you see fit.

I've moved a bunch of guns this year, but none of them were expressly obtained to sell for profit. In fact, the one I just sold was intended to merely split shipping and FFL transfer fee expense. :lol:


As a well informed and known (and entirely legal) serial buyer, seller, flipper, swapper, horse-trader, I think that what I've bolded above could be construed in a bad way by an overly eager beaver ATF agent. Just saying you might want to consider your choice of words (memorialized here on the inter-webs). Not suggesting you had any bad intent.

Back to the regularly scheduled pissin-an-a-moanin about stuff you can't afford, resentment that some other dude can, or had the foresight or good luck to buy, steal, hoard, etc. Or that businesses use pricing as dynamic tool to manage their profitability AND their inventory levels. Frontiersman was looking pretty bare when I went in yesterday. So was Arnzen. If they do not get more inventory in, they cannot sell it next week, cash flow shrinks, employee hours get cut or terminated, businesses close, yada, yada, yada.......... If they have no/less cash coming in because they have nothing or reduced inventory to sell, it really sucks when the fixed costs like rent/mortgage, power, insurance, etc don't miraculously shrink in proportion. The biggest variable cost that can be managed has a pulse. That money will come out of employee wages and owners pocket/equity. When the owner has had enough, he shuts the doors.

If you were not wise enough (or too poor, or whatever) to foresee blips/circumstances like this, don't resent those who were, and DO NOT chase the stupidity. If you didn't "need" and AR or PMag last month, you probably don't "need" them now. Save your pennies for the day when the panic buyers realize they really didn't "need" it and DO need to pay a mortgage/rent, need to pay a kids tuition or medical bill, need a car for their spouse, etc. You will be able to buy at a steep discount to today's stupidity. The explosion of production and sales of high cap mags and ARs since 2004 has dwarfed the the pre-1994 supply. While a new ban would be a serious and stupid pain in the butt, the glut of supply in real numbers (not keyboard commando opinion) plus the hyper production that would go into effect with any serious ban legislation would mitigate the $$ impact of a fixed supply.

Finally, Merry Christmas! Don't be hating, sit back and enjoy the ride.


So you wanna protect stores like arnzen from closing their doors but encourage people to go in there and buy tons of rifles, mags, and ammo they don't need. Just so the can flip it to make a few bucks.

God lord at the hypocrisy
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I know I did not state that, and I'm pretty sure I did not imply it. I never said I wanted to protect anybody. I did lay out a pretty clean example of s&d as it applies to retail business economics and a pretty clear explanation of why pricing power is important to any business. And I did not encourage anybody to do stupid stuff like buy into this or any other panic. I did tell folks to sit back, enjoy the ride, and wait until the frenzy subsides. Possibly you were responding to another point of view and mistakenly quoted my post. Or you need some coffee.

TommyMN wrote: Why is this community basically encouraging guys to loop hole state gun laws, federal gun laws, and IRS law?


I don't see a heck of a lot of evidence to support this.

As a related aside-

You are allowed to make a profit on a gun transaction if it is not in the course of running a business. You are allowed to make a profit if it is in furtherance of your collection. If some fool is selling an 870 for $100, it is totally legal for me to buy it and to sell it to my buddy for $150. If I make a practice of going to police auctions and buying up PD turn-in Glock 23s and then set up a table to sell them at the next Croc or MWCA show I need to get an FFL. There is a measurable, actionable, and material difference in the two sales/situations. I don't think anybody here is suggesting we support the latter practice. Word. 8-)
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Re: So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

Postby TommyMN on Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:41 am

I do need some coffee. This flu or whatever it is is killing me.

What's your take on what I posted earlier. A guy going to Walmart. Buying a dozen $900 rifles and flipping them for 2k each at a gun show? Ffl or not is unknown
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Re: So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

Postby Holland&Holland on Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:12 pm

TommyMN wrote:I do need some coffee. This flu or whatever it is is killing me.

What's your take on what I posted earlier. A guy going to Walmart. Buying a dozen $900 rifles and flipping them for 2k each at a gun show? Ffl or not is unknown


If he is an FFL then that is just good business sense. If he is not then he might want to make sure he has a legal defense fund available.
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Re: So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

Postby FuBruB on Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:49 pm

Well said Tommy...



TommyMN wrote:
xd ED wrote:
TommyMN wrote:Private sales and collection is one thing. Going to a store and buying every msr to then flip a few days later is rediculous.


Why?
Whether they bought them from wallyworld, or out of someone's trunk, an agreement was reached between a willing buyer and a willing seller. !2 people have new guns..
Are you against the stock exchanges as well?


Because those 12 people could of just bought them at Walmart without all the hype and panic. It's all make believe. It makes gun owners look like panic crazed psychos. More $ then brains.
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Re: So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

Postby FuBruB on Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:50 pm

Well said Tommy...



TommyMN wrote:
xd ED wrote:
TommyMN wrote:Private sales and collection is one thing. Going to a store and buying every msr to then flip a few days later is rediculous.


Why?
Whether they bought them from wallyworld, or out of someone's trunk, an agreement was reached between a willing buyer and a willing seller. !2 people have new guns..
Are you against the stock exchanges as well?


Because those 12 people could of just bought them at Walmart without all the hype and panic. It's all make believe. It makes gun owners look like panic crazed psychos. More $ then brains.
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Re: So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

Postby 45Badger on Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:57 pm

TommyMN wrote:I do need some coffee. This flu or whatever it is is killing me.

What's your take on what I posted earlier. A guy going to Walmart. Buying a dozen $900 rifles and flipping them for 2k each at a gun show? Ffl or not is unknown


Facts are unknown, so not gonna speculate. We don't even know that it happened. I was at Frontiersman yesterday and a newer sales guy (40-50ish) was spouting pure drivel to customers as they checked out pistols. It would have been hysterical if the poor customers didn't think this guy selling a new gen 3 Glock for $589 was an expert. That's the problem with these panics. Facts fly out the window and all the "experts" feel more empowered or required to pump up the volume and level of hyperbole. Pass the story through 3 or 30 people and one guy getting lucky flipping one gun turns into a guy buying out everything in stock at Walmart and flipping all of it to pay for a new ice house.

I'm happy to sit this one out. I have plenty of everything I need, acquired slowly and frugally over a long period of time. If we end up with a ban that grandfathers existing stuff, I'll sell some of my excess stuff in the first year after the supply has run dry to maximize my pennies. If we end up with a ban that requires confiscation, or prohibits future sales, my stuff will be worthless. I'll be working to prevent either.
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Re: So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

Postby sgruenhagen44 on Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:08 pm

I guess I don't see it as gouging. If some guy wants to pay out the ass for a couple mags that is his own business. It kinda makes me laugh. I do see gun bans as a real threat but I don't really worry about SHTF scenarios. I have enough 12 gauge shells and two .44 mag pistols. I feel pretty prepared. If I had a butt load of p mags I would be sellin em too for way more than they are worth.
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Re: So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

Postby TommyMN on Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:25 pm

45Badger wrote:
TommyMN wrote:I do need some coffee. This flu or whatever it is is killing me.

What's your take on what I posted earlier. A guy going to Walmart. Buying a dozen $900 rifles and flipping them for 2k each at a gun show? Ffl or not is unknown


Facts are unknown, so not gonna speculate. We don't even know that it happened. I was at Frontiersman yesterday and a newer sales guy (40-50ish) was spouting pure drivel to customers as they checked out pistols. It would have been hysterical if the poor customers didn't think this guy selling a new gen 3 Glock for $589 was an expert. That's the problem with these panics. Facts fly out the window and all the "experts" feel more empowered or required to pump up the volume and level of hyperbole. Pass the story through 3 or 30 people and one guy getting lucky flipping one gun turns into a guy buying out everything in stock at Walmart and flipping all of it to pay for a new ice house.

I'm happy to sit this one out. I have plenty of everything I need, acquired slowly and frugally over a long period of time. If we end up with a ban that grandfathers existing stuff, I'll sell some of my excess stuff in the first year after the supply has run dry to maximize my pennies. If we end up with a ban that requires confiscation, or prohibits future sales, my stuff will be worthless. I'll be working to prevent either.


Glocks for $600 bucks? Guess ill be adding another place to my list of where not to shop.
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Re: So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

Postby aaron878 on Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:30 pm

So the same people having an utter-******* about free market economics and supply and demand are also the ones that hate the "left" and call Obama a socialist...What in the hell happened to conservatives in this country.

Guns, ammo and accessories are not food, water, fuel or shelter. They aren't purchases that must be made on a regular basis to sustain life - bottom line if you think things are unreasonably expensive, don't buy them. The only reason not to jack prices right now is fear of alienating your customers (I personally won't be shopping at Cheaper Than Dirt! anymore).

Also, I'm willing to pay $50 for two PMAGs, only because I bought an AR before this madness started, and I've only got one steel mag to go with it. I've made that choice, anything more expensive and I'll wait and take my chances with backorders.
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Re: So... looks like a bunch of you are $$ hating hypocrites

Postby aaron878 on Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:35 pm

TommyMN wrote:
45Badger wrote:
TommyMN wrote:I do need some coffee. This flu or whatever it is is killing me.

What's your take on what I posted earlier. A guy going to Walmart. Buying a dozen $900 rifles and flipping them for 2k each at a gun show? Ffl or not is unknown


Facts are unknown, so not gonna speculate. We don't even know that it happened. I was at Frontiersman yesterday and a newer sales guy (40-50ish) was spouting pure drivel to customers as they checked out pistols. It would have been hysterical if the poor customers didn't think this guy selling a new gen 3 Glock for $589 was an expert. That's the problem with these panics. Facts fly out the window and all the "experts" feel more empowered or required to pump up the volume and level of hyperbole. Pass the story through 3 or 30 people and one guy getting lucky flipping one gun turns into a guy buying out everything in stock at Walmart and flipping all of it to pay for a new ice house.

I'm happy to sit this one out. I have plenty of everything I need, acquired slowly and frugally over a long period of time. If we end up with a ban that grandfathers existing stuff, I'll sell some of my excess stuff in the first year after the supply has run dry to maximize my pennies. If we end up with a ban that requires confiscation, or prohibits future sales, my stuff will be worthless. I'll be working to prevent either.


Glocks for $600 bucks? Guess ill be adding another place to my list of where not to shop.


MSRP on a Glock is $599 I believe, I paid $569 for my G19, not on sale...I know they're available for cheaper, but I had $150 gift card for FleetFarm so that's where I went. I'm glad I didn't pay $589, but Frontiersman is a good shop, with good prices (much fairer than Bill's IMO) I wouldn't write them off for selling a gun $10 under MSRP in this current climate...
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