Could they take our guns??

[Jackpine Savage]

Does anyone remember exactly what happened in California? My memory is fuzzy (and I try to forget that California is part of the USA), I remember they had to register their 'assault weapons', and then didn't they later make possession illegal?

[george]

Don't you think if a actual BAN of a firearm is written, wouldn't it include an announcement of there presents as they kick in the door.
You will not have the opportunity to say NO. And an actual warrant will not be required.
Jest my thoughts if it were to happen.

BUT!! BUT!! BUT it did happen and it was not by a law or a ordnance but by an announcement of the MAYOR in New Orleans LA.
And that was one person.
Enough Said.

[Hmac]

Don't you think if a actual BAN of a firearm is written, wouldn't it include an announcement of there presents as they kick in the door.
You will not have the opportunity to say NO. And an actual warrant will not be required.
Jest my thoughts if it were to happen.

No. I don't think that even for a minute.

[tazdevil]

Remeber Prohibition worked quite well and the war on drugs has just about eliminated it completely off our streets.

Yeah, I brought that into a argument with a anti. I simply stated that Prohibition was placed largely in part of a failed belief that it would eliminate abusive husbands, crime, and coming home very late and very drunk. Instead, alcohol was served by the mob, crime went way up, more came home later, if at all; and police even began to be involved in the criminal activity.

They still didn't get it.

Then they brought up the argument about "I don't understand why anyone needs a AR15, I just don't see it as a sport.". I stated the many uses, and followed up with "Well, I think they should ban golf than as well. I don't understand it, so I don't think it's a sport. It's a large use of land for minimal personal use; a huge toll on water resources (especially in states with major water resource problems already, and even when we're on watering bans, do you see golf courses around here not watering?); and beats the heck out of a little defenseless white ball, that did nothing wrong ever, with a club so it promotes violence. In addition, the clubs for golfing can be used to Kill, Maim, or injure other people, so they should be banned as they are a non-registered potential deadly weapon!"

Yep, they still didn't get it. Then they brought the emotional argument in, stating "Look at all the children they killed, think of the children (that was the EXACT wording!)". My rebuttal was "Good job, losing a argument, bring in the emotional card. No different than the race card when that is played." Debate was over, they stood there slack jawed as they where ticked off about some trial that the race card had just been used in.

[CUZICAN]

the government has not been able to take the guns from the gangs and drug lords, so i'm guessing they won't be able to get the guns from the public unless they voluntarily turn them in.

good thing i sold all my guns last weekend before the private transfers become illegal.

[Evad]

good thing i sold all my guns last weekend before the private transfers become illegal.

Look on the bright side, you weren't out ice fishing with the rest of us. It totally sucked that we lost our guns in the lake

[MNGunGuy]

Jesus people, really? Sorry George...I'm not singling you out.
They will NOT sign a ban and start kicking in doors. IF they did, that's the day you need a gun the most. Especially if they start rounding up the Jews like one of the recent times this was done (it should fail faster the next time it is tried if a leader is ever that stupid again). I'm not even willing to get into some big debate. It won't happen. If you really feel a discussion of the sort is needed...maybe someplace less public so people don't think we are all extremeists and get behind any plan to "make us safer".

Ah, the good ole Internet Hitler reference. This thread has reached full potential.

[CarryCauseICan]

I understand those saying "No they won't ban them or come knocking on doors for them." But 10 days ago, would you have thought the talk of them passing an AWB again been possible?

[Hmac]

I understand those saying "No they won't ban them or come knocking on doors for them." But 10 days ago, would you have thought the talk of them passing an AWB again been possible?

I was surprised when they didnt pass one after Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson. I was astonished when they didn't pass one after the theater shooting in Aurora. After Sandy Hook, a full court press for AWB is a no-brainer.

[xd ED]

I understand those saying "No they won't ban them or come knocking on doors for them." But 10 days ago, would you have thought the talk of them passing an AWB again been possible?

I was surprised when they didnt pass one after Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson. I was astonished when they didn't pass one after the theater shooting in Aurora. After Sandy Hook, a full court press for AWB is a no-brainer.

Politics:
Pre vs. Post election

[Hmac]

Politics:
Pre vs. Post election

Key point.

[xd ED]

Politics:
Pre vs. Post election

Key point.

And sadly, it was 20+ 5-7 year olds. There's enough emotion in such a horrific tragedy to make nearly anyone vulnerable to irrational reactions.

[Shipyard]

I'd worry if I hadn't been on that boat trip with Shippy and a few others from here on Lake Gitche Gumee.

your memory must be fuzzy. i hate ice fishing. and no, i dind't "loose" all my guns... you think any of the left wing nut jobs are actually goign to believe that?



i beat mine into plowshares while crankin' the Bob Dillon

[SAM]

Seriously-----don't any of you guys have firearms that just plain don't show up on the grid-------they don't exist------cold pieces if you will. I have been picking these little ( and some not so little ) jewels up for years. Back in the day--you could take down an M-16---christmas wrap it and send it home, along with all the elephant grass you could stuff in the box to pack it with. Same with Colts ever since Okinawa, along with some fabulous jap made carbines.

[XDM45]

If they have reasonable suspicion that you are breaking the law by owning contraband weapons and can get a search warrant, of course they can search your home. How are you going to stop them?

How do you think some people would stop them?

I cannot speak for anyone but myself, so I say this: The rights we established when we claimed our freedom at the formation of this nation shall not be infringed upon; and yet they are on a daily basis with other unconstitutional acts such as the PATRIOT ACT I and II, Executive Orders, Supreme Court rulings, local city and county ordinances, state laws, federal laws, and many other forms as well. It is the tolerance of the people and their submission to fear which has mainly allowed these things into being. In their small-mindedness in thought, action and deed, they have sold our our greatness as a nation, and their own empowerment as an individual. They deserve neither liberty or freedom; for they do not cherish it. They do not nurture it, and they are against it when it inconveniences their senses or lives.

When giant corporations and government tried to destroy Net Neutrality with the SOPA and PIPA Acts, the communities online and offline rose up and stopped it dead. In the 1960s and 70s, people made progress with some government reform, it CAN be done. We, as a society, have become to driven by fear, too tolerant of generalized "authority", too willing to hand over the keys of our lives to someone else, too unwilling to take responsibility for ourselves.

Our freedom and our rights are in a symbiotic relationship because we cannot have one without the other. Rights (and thus freedoms), once lost, are virtually impossible to regain.

Freedom isn't free.

It is bought and paid for with the lives, blood, sweat, and vision of those who live and see beyond themselves.

So I ask, when someone comes for your freedom, when they come for your physical ability to defend your life and your freedom, is that worth fighting for? and what will YOU do?