Phone Call from Valleyfair Last Night-Damage Control

[Aceq2jot]

My observation would be ...........whatever it was (security) didn't protect the man and his family. Maybe the VF folks should loosen the purse strings and hire off-duty uniformed LEO's to patrol and or have a presence that would act as a deterrent. Similar to the off duty deputies that work the Myth or the LEO's that work the Cub foods.

Your pulling the piss right

Cub down by you has a cop to deter thiefs as it is scumray, and by order of the Property management the security company at Sunray is not to provide any services to Cub. And honestly the clientel what shops there at that mall leaves alot to be desired after 5 pm

As for the Myth, they had enough Police calls there that they were forced by the county to hire an off duty Sheriff, and crap still happens even witht hem there

Plus wednesday night and weekends when the myth lets out the area is swamped by the Patrol, Ramsey and Maplewood as it is ticket heaven. They get a lot of tickets on the cars, warrants and Dui arrests



And as for the bitching yea all are doing, how many of you make one or more trips every year to valley fair???

I'm trying to understand your comparison between Club, Myth and VF. By the way a good friend of mine (but I can't name names) is a loss prevention supervisor within the Club company and hiring off duty LEO's is pretty common for them. So based on your above analogy what is wrong with VF doing the same thing because they have the same problem at given times of business as the Myth and Club?

Wellseeing as you ask Tousi brought up Cub. The Cub near by where Tousi lives was brought up as he mentioned they had cops there, and seeing as i have worked there doing Security and Facilities Maintenance i know the whole procedure there at that shopping center and Security are not allowed to step foot in the store per the property management. Some cubs are corporate owned and others are jerry's foods supervalue through out the metro which are two diffrent comapanies. The Cub in west st paul hires GSSC as security to stand there from 6pm to 6am. Other cubs around the metro hire off duty police officers at $35 an hour, and then others hire contract loss prevention and others have none.

From my understanding the Myth was forced to hire off duty Ramsey county officers because as with Club Crystal they had to many police calls, And way to many gang fights many nights a week.

As with Valley fair they have had 2 police calls all year as opposed to several a week, and no one really said what the calls were for !! Now did a car get broken into and they called the police to file a report? That would certainly make a police call that would be logged as a call to valley fair and as the police said they have had 2 calls to the fair.

what is wrong with VF doing the same thing because they have the same problem at given times of business as the Myth and Club??

I find it hard to understand how you came to the conclusion that they have a big problem with Gangs and shoplifters at Valley Fair. Especially seeing as they have responded to valley fair twice in one year, and that could have been anything from a medical to a car break in to a fight, so there is nothing that say's that any of the problem were gang related One assault is far from the gang activity at the Myth or Club Crystal.

And depending on the night and the event at the Myth it seems to be a predominately Asian or African American crew there and the same goes for both clubs, form what the troopers i know have told me.

As for the Myth, they had enough Police calls there that they were forced by the county to hire an off duty Sheriff, and crap still happens even witht hem there

Don't know how or why the county could force them to hire since it is MW. And it would be deputies (plural) as many as 6-8 off duty sometimes. Just like the club on Rice/Larp (Crystall ?) that has off duty deputies..........deterrence. Sure they still have incidents but how many would there be without them there. Plus there is no long response time when something happens.

Point is, whatever their system is it's not working very well at VF. They could certainly try the uniformed LEO step.

YMMV...................

I am not sure if you ever notice but it seems in maplewood if they have a liqour license they have a Ramsey deputy on the premises. Big top liqour down there next to rainbow on W.B has a off duty deputy there carding people, so i am not sure if the county issues liqour licenses or what in maplewood, but that is what i have came to notice. But i cant tell you why

And it is Deterrence because they ahve multiple arrests on a regular basis at both locations because of fights, dwi's and warrants.

And as i said Valley fair has had two police calls total all year and were they for fights?? No one has said if they were medical, car thefts etc as all of them would count as police calls.

So after 2 police calls all year can you say the system at valleyfair is not working?? There is no logical explination that can be explained, your logical explination is they need to hire the police to be in the parking lot, for an incident that happened which they would not have even been able to stop

And basically what you are saying is because they had one violent incident incident all year they need the cops to work there, and that Tutmos seven 7 black individuals running around and seen security running in the park?? He never said where security was rushing too, if it was medicals, missing children etc we dont know as it sounds like he did not investigate where they were going he just assumed.

The place was absolutely filled with them, like there had been big bus runs with free tickets from the hood. In all honesty it was on the order of 40% of the people there after 10pm,

Now the way i would take that as a very racist statement, cause there was no proof they were from the Hood. It spounds like a lot of racial stereo typing to me

So because a woman gets killed on hiway 36 by a drunk driver are you demanding that the police swamp the road every night??

Because i dont really see the diffrence, becasue each one is isolated incident, but the giun owners of Minnesota are demanding a whole bunch of poppycock because one incident. Now i suggest every time a guy gets mugged leaving the Vu you all send email to Pete that he starts having escorts for the punters who wave big wads of cash around and get mugged down the block going to thier cars.

Basically you spend how much at Valley fair a year?? Or do you even go ?? So lets look at the statistical side of it.

Old grunters with gun permits 10%

Schools and church groups 20%

The youth of the metro 70%

I see that most of the money that keeps the place running is not coming from the 10 % of which maybe 1% sent emails saying they will boycott valley fair and they need to Spend lots of money to make the place safer for that percentage. Bsasically they will say **** in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first. Off duty cops make from $28-$35 an hr the security at the fair make $8-$10 lets get real and look at it realisticly.

Its like saying there are 56,000 permits in Minnesota and with that # the 2A rights group is growing.

In theory there is 56,000 permit holders and in reality maybe 300 activists.

So in the end if it makes you feel better fire emails away and stay home and save some money, but in reality it aint going to change over one incident, and 3 police calls. If you Pull the figure for police calls at Scumray i bet the # is over 100 so people better stop shopping there as it is a bad place, cause they have had several muggings ar thefts thefts from car and shoplifters there this year.

** UPDATE **

The Myth had a shooting in 2006 and we all know about club Crystal and the shootings. So now we have Shootings at the difrent venues.

Maplewood night clubs 2

Valley Fair 0

[Ramoel]

You can say isolated incident all you want. Isn't every attack an isolated incident? You can blame anyone you want, security, police, Valley Fair management etc. but it all boils down to one thing, in my opinion, we and we alone are responsible for our own safety.

That's why we carry isn't it? You have to be alert and ready to act at all times. Maybe it would have turned into a big shoot out if the victim had been armed or maybe not. As for myself, I'd rather go down fighting and take a few with me than to be beat severely and have my attackers walking the street.

[nyffman]

So the General public is concerned and people can send them all the emails they want and tell them they need armed guards, so that it makes it an intimidating place for the public to go, because if the guards are armed it must be a bad place

Doesn't seem to hurt business at the Cub in Maplewood (not too far from your place). Or, check out the SA's in your area any weekend night. Doesn't seem to keep people away from them either.

[Tutmos]

Ace,

Your information about what happened at Valley Fair is wrong, as are most of your assumptions about how you think it must have happened. It wasn't a "minute and it's over" thing. Pay attention to what's been posted here and what's in the news and you'd know. The simple fact that the initial confrontation happened between two scum and the family and then the scum called the rest of the chickensh!tz on cell phones to run across the park and come help them because they were afraid with 2 v. 1 odds tells you it wasn't a quick flash event. To top it off security was running behind the larger group of ghetto queens watching everything they were doing and calling in on the radio exactly where they were. My guess is security was watching when it happened but didn't want to get involved in a physical confrontation with a large group of minorities.

The criminals were caught in the parking lot of Valley Fair as far as I know.

[Aceq2jot]

Ace,

Your information about what happened at Valley Fair is wrong, as are most of your assumptions about how you think it must have happened. It wasn't a "minute and it's over" thing. Pay attention to what's been posted here and what's in the news and you'd know. The simple fact that the initial confrontation happened between two scum and the family and then the scum called the rest of the chickensh!tz on cell phones to run across the park and come help them because they were afraid with 2 v. 1 odds tells you it wasn't a quick flash event. To top it off security was running behind the larger group of ghetto queens watching everything they were doing and calling in on the radio exactly where they were. My guess is security was watching when it happened but didn't want to get involved in a physical confrontation with a large group of minorities.

The criminals were caught in the parking lot of Valley Fair as far as I know.

I have payed attention on what was reported in the news. and the news reported nothing about how long it took. Now you are 100% sure that they are all the same people and you can identify them in a line up??

As it was reported it happend in the parking lot but i t take it you watched the whole thing go down and stood there as a simple bystander ???

As you stated there was more than one group of people at the fair that night.

And as the media stated it happened as people were leaving. so what are the odds they were all in the parking lot and the one who started it was going to get the car to pull it around.????

There are a lot of variables including the phone call that where they statred the whole event took place in the parking lot.

How many people have you put on the ground and stomped?? Honestly how many ? I speak from experience it is over in under two minutes.

So the General public is concerned and people can send them all the emails they want and tell them they need armed guards, so that it makes it an intimidating place for the public to go, because if the guards are armed it must be a bad place

Doesn't seem to hurt business at the Cub in Maplewood (not too far from your place). Or, check out the SA's in your area any weekend night. Doesn't seem to keep people away from them either.

They have a Cop at cub once in a blue moon on weekends, and what does it do other than deter the amatuer shoplifter as the cop cant bust anyone for shoplifting <lol> there are a lot of legal requirements for that. Plus the banks normally pay for the cop to protect them

And S/A gives free stuff to the cops to get them in there to show a presence to deter robbery and drive offs. But they are only there when they get their breaks.

[princewally]

How many people have you put on the ground and stomped?? Honestly how many ? I speak from experience it is over in under two minutes.

Are you bragging about being a ***********, POS thug?

Not accusing, just asking, because it sounds like that's what you just said.

[Aceq2jot]

You can say isolated incident all you want. Isn't every attack an isolated incident? You can blame anyone you want, security, police, Valley Fair management etc. but it all boils down to one thing, in my opinion, we and we alone are responsible for our own safety.

That's why we carry isn't it? You have to be alert and ready to act at all times. Maybe it would have turned into a big shoot out if the victim had been armed or maybe not. As for myself, I'd rather go down fighting and take a few with me than to be beat severely and have my attackers walking the street.

Honestly that is the best thing i have heard in a long time, you summed it up very well.

[Tutmos]

Let's just put it this way, I know substantially more about what was going on that night than you. Troll away if it makes you feel better or continue to blindly guess at what you'd like to imagine happened it really doesn't bother me too much.

Ace,

Your information about what happened at Valley Fair is wrong, as are most of your assumptions about how you think it must have happened. It wasn't a "minute and it's over" thing. Pay attention to what's been posted here and what's in the news and you'd know. The simple fact that the initial confrontation happened between two scum and the family and then the scum called the rest of the chickensh!tz on cell phones to run across the park and come help them because they were afraid with 2 v. 1 odds tells you it wasn't a quick flash event. To top it off security was running behind the larger group of ghetto queens watching everything they were doing and calling in on the radio exactly where they were. My guess is security was watching when it happened but didn't want to get involved in a physical confrontation with a large group of minorities.

The criminals were caught in the parking lot of Valley Fair as far as I know.

I have payed attention on what was reported in the news. and the news reported nothing about how long it took. Now you are 100% sure that they are all the same people and you can identify them in a line up??

As it was reported it happend in the parking lot but i t take it you watched the whole thing go down and stood there as a simple bystander ???

As you stated there was more than one group of people at the fair that night.

And as the media stated it happened as people were leaving. so what are the odds they were all in the parking lot and the one who started it was going to get the car to pull it around.????

There are a lot of variables including the phone call that where they statred the whole event took place in the parking lot.

How many people have you put on the ground and stomped?? Honestly how many ? I speak from experience it is over in under two minutes.

So the General public is concerned and people can send them all the emails they want and tell them they need armed guards, so that it makes it an intimidating place for the public to go, because if the guards are armed it must be a bad place

Doesn't seem to hurt business at the Cub in Maplewood (not too far from your place). Or, check out the SA's in your area any weekend night. Doesn't seem to keep people away from them either.

They have a Cop at cub once in a blue moon on weekends, and what does it do other than deter the amatuer shoplifter as the cop cant bust anyone for shoplifting <lol> there are a lot of legal requirements for that. Plus the banks normally pay for the cop to protect them

And S/A gives free stuff to the cops to get them in there to show a presence to deter robbery and drive offs. But they are only there when they get their breaks.

[Aceq2jot]

Let's just put it this way, I know substantially more about what was going on that night than you. Troll away if it makes you feel better or continue to blindly guess at what you'd like to imagine happened it really doesn't bother me too much

Ah so you are an expert and a witness

And i am not trolling away i am sjust showing how ignorant and racist you really are.

And so as you know what went on through your biased eyes, you must have actually stood there and watched it happen

People like you are the best witnesses they get discredited the first day and kicked out as all they are doing is expressing views not facts.

[Tutmos]

...did you have anything new to say?

[Aceq2jot]

...did you have anything new to say?

And who is doing the Trolling here

[justaguy]

I think your both trolls.

[ttousi]

I think your both trolls.

says justatroll

[Wadero]

We don't like your kind (trolls) 'round here....

[nyffman]

They have a Cop at cub once in a blue moon on weekends, and what does it do other than deter the amatuer shoplifter as the cop cant bust anyone for shoplifting <lol> there are a lot of legal requirements for that. Plus the banks normally pay for the cop to protect them

And S/A gives free stuff to the cops to get them in there to show a presence to deter robbery and drive offs. But they are only there when they get their breaks.

I guess we have different perceptions of reality. I go to that Cub, maybe once every 4 to 6 weeks after work, which puts it around 1am. Nearly always there is a Maplewood cop working. As far as the SA's, you don't have a clue. Maryland Ave, Johnson Parkway. Old Hudson Road and others have them Working all night. These folks are all wearing SPPD uniforms, and I have seen them do odd jobs like open the beer cooler or get ice, so they aren't just there for the free donuts and coffee. Quit trying to BS everyone. And, for a guy who keeps telling us how we wouldn't beleive all the $h1t that goes on around town that doesn't make the news, then constantly refers to the lack of reports, news and otherwise on this incident, shows how full of it you are.