What "Gun Control" measures what you pick? (if you had to)

[CUZICAN]

did anyone else notice the google bot as a user on the page:

someone's paying google to search for keywords used on this page...

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A permit system. Your permit lets you do ANYTHING gun related. Buy guns, sell guns, make guns, carry guns. ANY guns, even machine guns.

Your permit is at no charge to you, and is issued to all, on their 18th birthday, unless you opt out.

It is yanked when you become a prohibited person.

To save paper, they can print it on the back of your voter registration.

[LePetomane]

Anything that restricts those with a history of mental illness from buying, owning or operating a firearm.

[GunClasses.Net]

A permit system. Your permit lets you do ANYTHING gun related. Buy guns, sell guns, make guns, carry guns. ANY guns, even machine guns.

Your permit is at no charge to you, and is issued to all, on their 18th birthday, unless you opt out.

It is yanked when you become a prohibited person.

To save paper, they can print it on the back of your voter registration.

Or make it an automatic on your driver's license like an 'endorsement'. Fake IDs may be an issue, though, but harder to do on a license than a voter registration card. Some folks might not want their political document tied to their firearms transactions or carry, or might not want to carry their voter registration in addition to a driver's license. Driver's licenses are more durable than voter registration cards.

Aside from fake voter registrations or even fake driver's licenses, another issue is that people buy and sell guns, and of course carry, across state lines all the time; would a national ID card be needed in this scenario? Does the federal government control this or do the states? On what basis is someone denied a gun? I wonder with all the emphasis on denying people with mental illness, the DSM IV has a TON of disorders and there are more added every day; eventually, we'll ALL have SOMEthing diagnosable... OCD, ADD, Depression, Anxiety, various Adjustment Disorders, BiPolar, BPD, and on and on. Hypothetically,if someone in the future says "I hate cats" or "I'm against socialized medicine" or "Believe in Jesus/Allah/etc or you will go to hell when you die", may they be charged with a hate crime, deemed mentally ill, and denied firearms - and by the Feds?

Sure, someone will say I'm being paranoid. I don't truthfully see that happening, and I'm playing devil's advocate because I don't think we've done enough of that in the past in honest debate and that's led us to where we are today - a long LONG way from where we were in liberty a few generations ago!

[GunClasses.Net]

did anyone else notice the google bot as a user on the page:

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someone's paying google to search for keywords used on this page...

How might that differ from a Google alert that continually scours the web for keywords and then daily emails a summary with links to whatever it dredges up to the Google user? I use those, but I've yet to pay Google a cent for that research. PM me, please; what's this Bot for hire about?

[xd ED]

A permit system. Your permit lets you do ANYTHING gun related. Buy guns, sell guns, make guns, carry guns. ANY guns, even machine guns.

Your permit is at no charge to you, and is issued to all, on their 18th birthday, unless you opt out.

It is yanked when you become a prohibited person.

To save paper, they can print it on the back of your voter registration.

We the People...have such a permit. The government acknowledged it's existence several centuries ago, It's been ignored for for several decades...

Now I realize the above statement doesn't provide much to those constructing tactics for a modern day discussion, but it defines the starting point from where we've been giving up ground since the civil war era

[Heffay]

Once a right is denied, people adapt to the new norm.

Requiring a NICS check for a firearm transfer isn't denying a right.

[xd ED]

Once a right is denied, people adapt to the new norm.

Requiring a NICS check for a firearm transfer isn't denying a right.

Neither would be the required tracking of ownership which would be necessitated by such a requirement....

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Once a right is denied, people adapt to the new norm.

Requiring a NICS check for a firearm transfer isn't denying a right.

Neither would be the required tracking of ownership which would be necessitated by such a requirement....

You don't have to track ownership, just that the background check occurred. A confirmation number or receipt could be issued that the seller would have to retain.

[20mm]

Once a right is denied, people adapt to the new norm.

Requiring a NICS check for a firearm transfer isn't denying a right.

How about requiring ID to vote?

[xd ED]

You don't have to track ownership, just that the background check occurred. A confirmation number or receipt could be issued that the seller would have to retain.

Isn't that a paper trail tying the gun to the new owner?
And now I have to keep forever some paperwork on a gun I sold 20 years, and 3 moves ago?
Or am I missing something?

[TabulaRasa]

Repeal 1934 National Firearms Act.

Repeal 1968 Gun Control Act.

Repeal 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act.

Repeal 1989 Gun Importation ban.

Those are the only gun control measures I would be onboard for.

[tman]

This is the problem.

You're already asking us what we're going to give up.


f*** that.

[RJWesleyIII]

What tman said! ^^^

[Snowgun]

I posed the question like I did to start a discussion and to provoke thought.

Sometimes Realpolitik is a reality. I'd happily wager $300 to anyone that some form of legislation will be passed. The only question now is what.

The smart play would be to dictate what that legislation is so it will align to our goals. As much as the pipe dream of every gun law being appealed, and allowing everyone and their dog to own machine guns, etc, it's not going to happen, and all the tough talk is the same as saying "I don't care what happens", because in the end they both will be as effective.

In my opinion, the best course of action is one that actually helps prevent bad situations (i.e. mental health legislation, stronger enforcement of those who should not be allowed firearms such as mentally ill and felons, getting rid of gun free zones), while at the same time preserves the freedom to bear arms.

Bringing something realistic to the table is much more effective than hyperbolic blustery comments about complete firearm anarchy (which is what "no rules" is).